I just kept digging my self deeper and deeper in the hole in that thread. The more I "explained" the worse it got Reminded me of that old political expression "If you are explainin you are loosin!"
Stude, the same version of the Fram Ultra went back on. I have 2 more in the stash before we try the latest version of the Ultra. That and Mobil 1 is all the Subaru has seen up until this recent oil change. it now has the Ultra with Pennzoil Plat 5-30.