Fram Ultra XG2 - 19,082 miles - Cut Open
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Looks great as I fully expected it would
. I have a little over 15K on the XG2 on my FX4 now and will have over 18K or so when I sample the M1 EP to see where I stand. Thanks for the C&P!
On my Sierra's last oil change, I left the Fram Ultra XG10575 on. The last time I ran the filter for one OCI it looks very good after taking it apart. I'll remove it on my next OCI so there will be about 14,500 miles on the filter. I'll be sure to take it apart and post pics.
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
I'm going to get the particle count. I want to know exactly what went on here. If there hasn't been any thing significant left behind, then I'm going to use Ultra for 2 OCIS from here on out. If things look really good I might even push it a bit further.
I can see a lot using my inspection camera through the oil fill hole. The guides, chain, and phaser had a little crust, but saw a lot of clean metal. Filter mount was clean as a whistle. Oil was dark, but still transparent. Hardly a black tar mess.
The important Secondary issue is the media was strong. I could not physically harm it nor dismount it from the end caps with my hands.
The way I see it is if Donaldson can build a 25k mile filter for Amsoil, maybe Fram has one too, but simply doesn't label it as such.
I just shifted over to Pennzoil HM, as I got a bunch of it at a fantastic price, so we'll see how she keeps trucking.
While I find this interesting I never understood NOT changing the oil filter during an oil change. If Fram thought their Ultra filters could go 25k miles they would market them as such. They do not, so there must be a reason they don't.
For me an oil filter is an inexpensive part, so replacing it is a no brainer. Also when I change my oil, I want to change all of it. That won't happen if you leave the filter on.
I remember quite a few people who were going 2-3 OCIs with Puralator Pure Ones, that didn't work out so well. I also wouldn't being using my car or truck as an oil filter test bed for a part that is under $10. There is no real payoff, but lot to lose (extra engine wear) once a filter's limit has been reached and it goes into bypass.
Unless an oil filter is specified to go 2 OCIs, the only real benefit of not changing it is making an oil change easier/simpler/quicker.
I'm going to get the particle count. I want to know exactly what went on here. If there hasn't been any thing significant left behind, then I'm going to use Ultra for 2 OCIS from here on out. If things look really good I might even push it a bit further.
I can see a lot using my inspection camera through the oil fill hole. The guides, chain, and phaser had a little crust, but saw a lot of clean metal. Filter mount was clean as a whistle. Oil was dark, but still transparent. Hardly a black tar mess.
The important Secondary issue is the media was strong. I could not physically harm it nor dismount it from the end caps with my hands.
The way I see it is if Donaldson can build a 25k mile filter for Amsoil, maybe Fram has one too, but simply doesn't label it as such.
I just shifted over to Pennzoil HM, as I got a bunch of it at a fantastic price, so we'll see how she keeps trucking.
While I find this interesting I never understood NOT changing the oil filter during an oil change. If Fram thought their Ultra filters could go 25k miles they would market them as such. They do not, so there must be a reason they don't.
For me an oil filter is an inexpensive part, so replacing it is a no brainer. Also when I change my oil, I want to change all of it. That won't happen if you leave the filter on.
I remember quite a few people who were going 2-3 OCIs with Puralator Pure Ones, that didn't work out so well. I also wouldn't being using my car or truck as an oil filter test bed for a part that is under $10. There is no real payoff, but lot to lose (extra engine wear) once a filter's limit has been reached and it goes into bypass.
Unless an oil filter is specified to go 2 OCIs, the only real benefit of not changing it is making an oil change easier/simpler/quicker.
...and if one were to fail at 10k+ miles the only person affected is the user. There could be no claim against Fram.
That's not good logic for me, for an inexpensive filter.
That's not good logic for me, for an inexpensive filter.
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Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
I'm going to get the particle count. I want to know exactly what went on here. If there hasn't been any thing significant left behind, then I'm going to use Ultra for 2 OCIS from here on out. If things look really good I might even push it a bit further.
I can see a lot using my inspection camera through the oil fill hole. The guides, chain, and phaser had a little crust, but saw a lot of clean metal. Filter mount was clean as a whistle. Oil was dark, but still transparent. Hardly a black tar mess.
The important Secondary issue is the media was strong. I could not physically harm it nor dismount it from the end caps with my hands.
The way I see it is if Donaldson can build a 25k mile filter for Amsoil, maybe Fram has one too, but simply doesn't label it as such.
I just shifted over to Pennzoil HM, as I got a bunch of it at a fantastic price, so we'll see how she keeps trucking.
I don't think some people realize it, but every post like yours, which may eventually show some really good data (in addition to the pictures,) will serve to push those on the fence to extend their intervals and use resources to an appropriate extent.
Even as much of a newb as I still consider myself, I bet just sounding relatively intelligent when speaking about oil and filters with friends and in posts on other forums furthers the cause of debunking stereotypes regarding shorter intervals (oil and filters,) snake oils, and other oil and maintenance related topics.
I'm going to get the particle count. I want to know exactly what went on here. If there hasn't been any thing significant left behind, then I'm going to use Ultra for 2 OCIS from here on out. If things look really good I might even push it a bit further.
I can see a lot using my inspection camera through the oil fill hole. The guides, chain, and phaser had a little crust, but saw a lot of clean metal. Filter mount was clean as a whistle. Oil was dark, but still transparent. Hardly a black tar mess.
The important Secondary issue is the media was strong. I could not physically harm it nor dismount it from the end caps with my hands.
The way I see it is if Donaldson can build a 25k mile filter for Amsoil, maybe Fram has one too, but simply doesn't label it as such.
I just shifted over to Pennzoil HM, as I got a bunch of it at a fantastic price, so we'll see how she keeps trucking.
I don't think some people realize it, but every post like yours, which may eventually show some really good data (in addition to the pictures,) will serve to push those on the fence to extend their intervals and use resources to an appropriate extent.
Even as much of a newb as I still consider myself, I bet just sounding relatively intelligent when speaking about oil and filters with friends and in posts on other forums furthers the cause of debunking stereotypes regarding shorter intervals (oil and filters,) snake oils, and other oil and maintenance related topics.
I see the Ultra is specified to 15k miles. I wouldn't go over that limit, better to be conservative when it comes to oil & filters than to push the limit outside of manufacturers spec to failure or bypass.
A perfect filter, IMO. Thanks for contributing the pics!
If you live in a desert or drive dirt roads often, change a Fram Ultra out every oil change, or at less than 10,000 miles just in case, since your air filter lets junk in smaller than around 50 microns or so, and some of that could make it past the rings into the sump. Other less dusty environments should be OK for 15,000 miles.
People are right, Fram Ultras can't be beat, based on particle sizes and capacity, which is the real measures.
People are right, Fram Ultras can't be beat, based on particle sizes and capacity, which is the real measures.
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
If you live in a desert or drive dirt roads often, change a Fram Ultra out every oil change, or at less than 10,000 miles just in case, since your air filter lets junk in smaller than around 50 microns or so, and some of that could make it past the rings into the sump. Other less dusty environments should be OK for 15,000 miles.
Great advice.
If you live in a desert or drive dirt roads often, change a Fram Ultra out every oil change, or at less than 10,000 miles just in case, since your air filter lets junk in smaller than around 50 microns or so, and some of that could make it past the rings into the sump. Other less dusty environments should be OK for 15,000 miles.
Great advice.
What are those gloves DoubleW ?
I'm following Honda's recommendation of a new filter every other change, oil filter has 19,500mi with OLM at 10% now, plan to change at 5%.
yup my fully trained BITOG eye says that filter should go another 100,0000 miles LOL... When do you call it enough, when the media is gone? When your engine is suffering wear from constant bypass. That filter is darker than many I have seen here cut at much less miles.
Originally Posted By: Skanky
yup my fully trained BITOG eye says that filter should go another 100,0000 miles LOL... When do you call it enough, when the media is gone? When your engine is suffering wear from constant bypass. That filter is darker than many I have seen here cut at much less miles.
Exactly what i thought, filter looks quite dark and like it has some kind of dark oil film covering the whole media. Not sure if it means anything but it doesnt looks good as everyone says. (Not bad either)
No one knows how its performing until they take it to a lab and test it properly.
yup my fully trained BITOG eye says that filter should go another 100,0000 miles LOL... When do you call it enough, when the media is gone? When your engine is suffering wear from constant bypass. That filter is darker than many I have seen here cut at much less miles.
Exactly what i thought, filter looks quite dark and like it has some kind of dark oil film covering the whole media. Not sure if it means anything but it doesnt looks good as everyone says. (Not bad either)
No one knows how its performing until they take it to a lab and test it properly.
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It looks very solid. Did you uoa the oil and if so how were insolubles?
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Originally Posted By: Skanky
yup my fully trained BITOG eye says that filter should go another 100,0000 miles LOL... When do you call it enough, when the media is gone? When your engine is suffering wear from constant bypass. That filter is darker than many I have seen here cut at much less miles.
Exactly what i thought, filter looks quite dark and like it has some kind of dark oil film covering the whole media. Not sure if it means anything but it doesnt looks good as everyone says. (Not bad either)
No one knows how its performing until they take it to a lab and test it properly.
Exactly what should the oil and filter look like after 19K miles, pray tell?
Originally Posted By: Skanky
yup my fully trained BITOG eye says that filter should go another 100,0000 miles LOL... When do you call it enough, when the media is gone? When your engine is suffering wear from constant bypass. That filter is darker than many I have seen here cut at much less miles.
Exactly what i thought, filter looks quite dark and like it has some kind of dark oil film covering the whole media. Not sure if it means anything but it doesnt looks good as everyone says. (Not bad either)
No one knows how its performing until they take it to a lab and test it properly.
Exactly what should the oil and filter look like after 19K miles, pray tell?
Yeah, I don't get it either. If I am going to spend my time changing the oil, I am going to do the filter also. I'd like to see the UOA on this run if you have it. So you saved 10 bucks, what does a Lincoln Navigator engine cost (is it around 10 grand?).
Honda recommends every other oil change, maybe that is a strategy to get the total cost of ownership down on the vehicle. Sure that will work fine and will get you out of factory warranty without any troubles, but the only real way to know is a UOA.
I will change the filter every time I get under a car to change the oil.
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While I find this interesting I never understood NOT changing the oil filter during an oil change. If Fram thought their Ultra filters could go 25k miles they would market them as such. They do not, so there must be a reason they don't.
For me an oil filter is an inexpensive part, so replacing it is a no brainer. Also when I change my oil, I want to change all of it. That won't happen if you leave the filter on.
I remember quite a few people who were going 2-3 OCIs with Puralator Pure Ones, that didn't work out so well. I also wouldn't being using my car or truck as an oil filter test bed for a part that is under $10. There is no real payoff, but lot to lose (extra engine wear) once a filter's limit has been reached and it goes into bypass.
Unless an oil filter is specified to go 2 OCIs, the only real benefit of not changing it is making an oil change easier/simpler/quicker.
Honda recommends every other oil change, maybe that is a strategy to get the total cost of ownership down on the vehicle. Sure that will work fine and will get you out of factory warranty without any troubles, but the only real way to know is a UOA.
I will change the filter every time I get under a car to change the oil.
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While I find this interesting I never understood NOT changing the oil filter during an oil change. If Fram thought their Ultra filters could go 25k miles they would market them as such. They do not, so there must be a reason they don't.
For me an oil filter is an inexpensive part, so replacing it is a no brainer. Also when I change my oil, I want to change all of it. That won't happen if you leave the filter on.
I remember quite a few people who were going 2-3 OCIs with Puralator Pure Ones, that didn't work out so well. I also wouldn't being using my car or truck as an oil filter test bed for a part that is under $10. There is no real payoff, but lot to lose (extra engine wear) once a filter's limit has been reached and it goes into bypass.
Unless an oil filter is specified to go 2 OCIs, the only real benefit of not changing it is making an oil change easier/simpler/quicker.
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