My Hyundai's use the OEM blue metal can oil filters that a number of Hyundai / Kia's use for 4 cylinder engines . The OEM oil filter from Hyundai is built well at approx. $7.00 ea. - but so is the FRAM Ultra for $9.00 and it is guaranteed for up to 20,000 miles now . *Say I wanted to do 5,000 mile OCI's with a good synthetic oil in a healthy engine - any reason why I can't leave the FRAM Ultra in place for a few OCI's ? I don't believe you could leave a Hyundai OEM oil filter in place that long for more than one OCI so in the end wouldn't the FRAM Ultra be a better oil filter buy than the Hyundai OEM oil filter ?
FRAM Ultra vs. Hyundai OEM Oil Filter (multi oil changes) ?
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You can get both online for much cheaper. I personally think the OEM had a little less startup noise than the XG9688.
I'm going to leave the one I'm currently running in place for 2 OCIs as you suggest. Since it's rated for 15000 miles and all.
I'm going to leave the one I'm currently running in place for 2 OCIs as you suggest. Since it's rated for 15000 miles and all.
Some Hyundai models can have clatter problems with Fram. I would go with the OEM filter out of those two filters. I had clatter with my Santa Fe when I had it with a FRAM filter when the engine was new and ran OEM for a while before switching to Amsoil EAO-26 filters on that vehicle.
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Originally Posted By: StevieC
Some Hyundai models can have clatter problems with Fram. I would go with the OEM filter out of those two filters. I had clatter with my Santa Fe when I had it with a FRAM filter
With a Fram Ultra??
Some Hyundai models can have clatter problems with Fram. I would go with the OEM filter out of those two filters. I had clatter with my Santa Fe when I had it with a FRAM filter
With a Fram Ultra??
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I've never had an issue, noise or otherwise, with any oil filter on any of my Hyundai. Between the two, i'd go with what's cheaper since both are quality products.
I find it hard to believe that a conventional media filter can outflow a synthetic media one. I have had (non-Ultra) silicone ADBVs leak down overnight, though.
Napa has the Mann W811/80 for about $5. Mann is the OE supplier
They also have Full brand for the same price.
They also have Full brand for the same price.
Originally Posted By: pbm
I think I once read that the Hyundai OE filter favors flow over filtration.
No such thing as "flow over filtration" unless the oil pump was running at pressure relief ... which rarely happens at all. Maybe with a cold start at 5000 RPM with 20W-50 in 0 deg F climate.
I think I once read that the Hyundai OE filter favors flow over filtration.
No such thing as "flow over filtration" unless the oil pump was running at pressure relief ... which rarely happens at all. Maybe with a cold start at 5000 RPM with 20W-50 in 0 deg F climate.
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Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
Napa has the Mann W811/80 for about $5. Mann is the OE supplier
They also have Full brand for the same price.
Great info. I'll be looking into this myself.
http://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/convert/Mann-Filter/W811/80
Napa has the Mann W811/80 for about $5. Mann is the OE supplier
They also have Full brand for the same price.
Great info. I'll be looking into this myself.
http://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/convert/Mann-Filter/W811/80
Do as you wish. Me, I change the oil and filter at the same time on my KIA. That’s at 5,000 miles. Remember the old FRAM commercial? “You can pay me now or you can pay me later.”
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If you're one that's concerned about warranty documentation, Hyundai won't like that kind of mileage on a filter.
Maybe one day I'll be brave enough to run a Fram Ultra on mine
Maybe one day I'll be brave enough to run a Fram Ultra on mine
If mixed fiber media doesn't flow well, restricts, why does Fram make Racing Filters out of it?
Filters apparently get less efficient as they load, so why load them.
No one knows the capacity of the Hyundai, and the Fram 20K is a marketing tool, UP TO 20k.
Hyundai filters are tested by Hyundai for the purpose, they don't test Fram Ultras on them.
Filters apparently get less efficient as they load, so why load them.
No one knows the capacity of the Hyundai, and the Fram 20K is a marketing tool, UP TO 20k.
Hyundai filters are tested by Hyundai for the purpose, they don't test Fram Ultras on them.
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
If mixed fiber media doesn't flow well, restricts, why does Fram make Racing Filters out of it?
Filters apparently get less efficient as they load, so why load them.
Flow restriction and filtering efficiency all depends on the exact design of the media, as well as the total surface area.
But in general, full synthetic media will flow better with all other factors being the same. The PureOne is cellulose, but flows well (due to relatively large media area) and is also high efficiency. Could be that Fram uses a media blend on their racing filters to keep the media stronger for the increased delta-p expected in race car type applications. Their racing filters ate still pretty efficient.
Filters getting a bit less efficiency as they load up is a function of how well they hold trapped particles as the delta-p increases. Again, depends on the exact design of the media. That's why performance tests exists - to determine which media works the best.
If mixed fiber media doesn't flow well, restricts, why does Fram make Racing Filters out of it?
Filters apparently get less efficient as they load, so why load them.
Flow restriction and filtering efficiency all depends on the exact design of the media, as well as the total surface area.
But in general, full synthetic media will flow better with all other factors being the same. The PureOne is cellulose, but flows well (due to relatively large media area) and is also high efficiency. Could be that Fram uses a media blend on their racing filters to keep the media stronger for the increased delta-p expected in race car type applications. Their racing filters ate still pretty efficient.
Filters getting a bit less efficiency as they load up is a function of how well they hold trapped particles as the delta-p increases. Again, depends on the exact design of the media. That's why performance tests exists - to determine which media works the best.
I am using an Ultra now on my Elantra. Very quiet. Due to warranty I change the filter every time I change the oil. I bought a 6 pack of Ultra's on Ebay for less than $5 a filter. I also used OEM. My dealership sells them for $5. Engine was very noisy this Winter the colder it got but seems to be the nature of the beast. That was with Pennzoil Ultra Platium 5w20 and OEM filter. I will get a chance to try an Ultra filter this Winter to see if it helps. During warm weather you have to try to hear the motor to tell if it is running.
Re: Ultra I use it for better filtering and flow. I did correspond with Motorking (Tech Director FRAM/Autolite). He said
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Our filters exceed all hyundai specifications.
I trust him more than Hyundai who has had it's share of engine issues. Now if I have a bad experience with a Fram filter I may change my mind.
Re: Ultra I use it for better filtering and flow. I did correspond with Motorking (Tech Director FRAM/Autolite). He said
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Our filters exceed all hyundai specifications.
I trust him more than Hyundai who has had it's share of engine issues. Now if I have a bad experience with a Fram filter I may change my mind.
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Originally Posted By: goodtimes
If mixed fiber media doesn't flow well, restricts, why does Fram make Racing Filters out of it?
Filters apparently get less efficient as they load, so why load them.
Flow restriction and filtering efficiency all depends on the exact design of the media, as well as the total surface area.
But in general, full synthetic media will flow better with all other factors being the same. The PureOne is cellulose, but flows well (due to relatively large media area) and is also high efficiency. Could be that Fram uses a media blend on their racing filters to keep the media stronger for the increased delta-p expected in race car type applications. Their racing filters ate still pretty efficient.
Filters getting a bit less efficiency as they load up is a function of how well they hold trapped particles as the delta-p increases. Again, depends on the exact design of the media. That's why performance tests exists - to determine which media works the best.
Zee you had me worried. Then I saw the delta-p......All is well! I do enjoy reading your post. No sarcasm intended.
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
If mixed fiber media doesn't flow well, restricts, why does Fram make Racing Filters out of it?
Filters apparently get less efficient as they load, so why load them.
Flow restriction and filtering efficiency all depends on the exact design of the media, as well as the total surface area.
But in general, full synthetic media will flow better with all other factors being the same. The PureOne is cellulose, but flows well (due to relatively large media area) and is also high efficiency. Could be that Fram uses a media blend on their racing filters to keep the media stronger for the increased delta-p expected in race car type applications. Their racing filters ate still pretty efficient.
Filters getting a bit less efficiency as they load up is a function of how well they hold trapped particles as the delta-p increases. Again, depends on the exact design of the media. That's why performance tests exists - to determine which media works the best.
Zee you had me worried. Then I saw the delta-p......All is well! I do enjoy reading your post. No sarcasm intended.
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