Fram Ultra I May Not Be Using Them Anymore! Oh Boy
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Did you mix up your medication again?
Its the fram ultra burr filter. Made for internal sanding
I like the orange cans. Their bright orange and easy to find after ive used em for target practice
901 Memphis when you have the experience i have in the engine business and have the ceu's i have taking all those classes from engine manufactures to be able to rebuild their engines to their spec.s you will understand it has nothing to do with medication but has an awful lot to do with common sense. About 15% of our engine business was to oem specs. We shipped some engines over 500 miles away to various drop off points and dealers. My shop was and still is under the new management a grade A machine shop we did all crankshafts, heads, Milling and boring not only for our engines but other engine shops also so just looking at a filter is kids play to me i see the differences some others don't. If i have 3 units in my hand all the same numbers and they all look a little different that raises a red flag! I was very very picky with parts we put into our engines and im sure a lot of places did not like selling us parts because i was so ocd at times but we had a very low return rate on our engines. Much lower than most. And although im sure i was a pain in the neck wanting perfect parts they all bent over backwards to deal with us.
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Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
[...]so just looking at a filter is kids play to me i see the differences some others don't. If i have 3 units in my hand all the same numbers and they all look a little different that raises a red flag!
Unless you have the equipment which has been properly calibrated to test said filter, what you have presented is nothing more than an opinion and can mean as much or as little as the next guy. For you to suggest the minuscule differences that happen between the punching of holes in a filter somehow equates to poor performance or will place one of your engines in jeopardy is plain silly and is as you said OCD. Though none of us want to admit it, the simple fact is nearly any filter on the market will suffice for the OCIs that most of us use--but we all have our favorite filters or want the security of something "better".
[...]so just looking at a filter is kids play to me i see the differences some others don't. If i have 3 units in my hand all the same numbers and they all look a little different that raises a red flag!
Unless you have the equipment which has been properly calibrated to test said filter, what you have presented is nothing more than an opinion and can mean as much or as little as the next guy. For you to suggest the minuscule differences that happen between the punching of holes in a filter somehow equates to poor performance or will place one of your engines in jeopardy is plain silly and is as you said OCD. Though none of us want to admit it, the simple fact is nearly any filter on the market will suffice for the OCIs that most of us use--but we all have our favorite filters or want the security of something "better".
+1000. I'll stick with the ultra as I couldn't find one for dads Dakota so I used a ST 16 and Maxlife
Not to sound like a wise guy or an unfriendly poster but I can't be sure of the exact performance of the filter it could be great like you said but i see something different in three of the exact same number ultra oil filters and that bugs me.. I understand that it may or may not signal problems now or in the future.. I know it may not bother you and that is a gift.. But let me ask you a question If you bought your 2015 ford truck brand new and the front fender was just a little misaligned or maybe the color was just 1 shade off would that bug you i mean it would not effect the way the truck runs would it?
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Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Not to sound like a wise guy or an unfriendly poster but I can't be sure of the exact performance of the filter it could be great like you said but i see something different in three of the exact same number ultra oil filters and that bugs me.. I understand that it may or may not signal problems now or in the future.. I know it may not bother you and that is a gift.. But let me ask you a question If you bought your 2015 ford truck brand new and the front fender was just a little misaligned or maybe the color was just 1 shade off would that bug you i mean it would not effect the way the truck runs would it?
Yes, it would bother me--if it was an obvious problem and considering the cost of such a vehicle. However, what you are suggesting is that variances in manufacturing (e.g. the holes are slightly different) on an $8.00 oil filter will cause a problem with or destroy the engine and not that these variances are cosmetic (unless I misunderstand your thoughts).
I feel confident these variances are well within the specifications for the filter and that is why I am not hand wringing over it. Consider this--even the worst filter shown on BITOG (yes, even those which have torn) have not destroyed any engines. Does that I mean I would accept a filter tearing? Absolutely not; I kicked Purolator to the curb when I cut one open with 3 tears in it, but despite that, my mother's van is still purring along despite those tears.
Not to sound like a wise guy or an unfriendly poster but I can't be sure of the exact performance of the filter it could be great like you said but i see something different in three of the exact same number ultra oil filters and that bugs me.. I understand that it may or may not signal problems now or in the future.. I know it may not bother you and that is a gift.. But let me ask you a question If you bought your 2015 ford truck brand new and the front fender was just a little misaligned or maybe the color was just 1 shade off would that bug you i mean it would not effect the way the truck runs would it?
Yes, it would bother me--if it was an obvious problem and considering the cost of such a vehicle. However, what you are suggesting is that variances in manufacturing (e.g. the holes are slightly different) on an $8.00 oil filter will cause a problem with or destroy the engine and not that these variances are cosmetic (unless I misunderstand your thoughts).
I feel confident these variances are well within the specifications for the filter and that is why I am not hand wringing over it. Consider this--even the worst filter shown on BITOG (yes, even those which have torn) have not destroyed any engines. Does that I mean I would accept a filter tearing? Absolutely not; I kicked Purolator to the curb when I cut one open with 3 tears in it, but despite that, my mother's van is still purring along despite those tears.
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Not to sound like a wise guy or an unfriendly poster but I can't be sure of the exact performance of the filter it could be great like you said but i see something different in three of the exact same number ultra oil filters and that bugs me.. I understand that it may or may not signal problems now or in the future.. I know it may not bother you and that is a gift.. But let me ask you a question If you bought your 2015 ford truck brand new and the front fender was just a little misaligned or maybe the color was just 1 shade off would that bug you i mean it would not effect the way the truck runs would it?
When in doubt pick another filter. That's why I got rid of the few remaining Purolator filters I had in my stash shortly after the tearing media issue reared its ugly head. There are plenty of other choices in the market place.
Not to sound like a wise guy or an unfriendly poster but I can't be sure of the exact performance of the filter it could be great like you said but i see something different in three of the exact same number ultra oil filters and that bugs me.. I understand that it may or may not signal problems now or in the future.. I know it may not bother you and that is a gift.. But let me ask you a question If you bought your 2015 ford truck brand new and the front fender was just a little misaligned or maybe the color was just 1 shade off would that bug you i mean it would not effect the way the truck runs would it?
When in doubt pick another filter. That's why I got rid of the few remaining Purolator filters I had in my stash shortly after the tearing media issue reared its ugly head. There are plenty of other choices in the market place.
Im pretty sure it will make little or no difference in an engines longevity like you said but it does possibly signal a potential quality issue.. Will they start getting even worse..Probably not or i should say i hope not but there is some change that i saw and my camera caught the images i will bring this up at my next engine meeting and see what everyone there thinks not that they are any better at oil filters than anyone here..lol
I can honestly say i never had an engine come into my shop that i could say it was the oil filter that did it in. Years back we rebuilt vw engines all the time that had no oil filters and even they went a lot of miles for the years they were in production. Lots of oem rock catches and their engines run forever sometimes..For many years i used group 7 oil filters at the shop when they were a quality filter and i had many engines run over 200,000 or even an oldmobile custom cruiser 307 that logged over 400,000 miles and ran on the flatbed when driven to the junk yard all on group 7 or the cheap A/c
Of course if an oil filter rips apart and sends things floating around in the oil that could be a disaster but i don't think that is going to happen with an ultra at least not the ones i looked at.
I can honestly say i never had an engine come into my shop that i could say it was the oil filter that did it in. Years back we rebuilt vw engines all the time that had no oil filters and even they went a lot of miles for the years they were in production. Lots of oem rock catches and their engines run forever sometimes..For many years i used group 7 oil filters at the shop when they were a quality filter and i had many engines run over 200,000 or even an oldmobile custom cruiser 307 that logged over 400,000 miles and ran on the flatbed when driven to the junk yard all on group 7 or the cheap A/c
Of course if an oil filter rips apart and sends things floating around in the oil that could be a disaster but i don't think that is going to happen with an ultra at least not the ones i looked at.
I am pretty sure you're crazy so stop posing such bull****
A misaligned fender or paint that doesn't match is pretty big deal, this is closer to a few threads hanging off of your new Ford Truck seat. These are $8.00 mass produced filters not fine Swiss watches. I'm sure the hole punching machine is going to have a certain amount of acceptable variance from core to core. It's not like the tolerances are as exacting as rod and main bearings
I just changed the oil in my Wife's car earlier today. The Fram Ultra XG3614 that I picked up looked just fine to me. These are the best I could get with my phone.
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^^^ The flared out lip on the center tube holes is what crazyoildude is all bothered over. As said earlier, I see no problem if the holes have a little flare around the circumference of the hole, and there will not be any "burrs" on those holes to worry about.
Oh burrlogna!!!
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