Fram Ultra I May Not Be Using Them Anymore! Oh Boy
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car51 you may be good at cutting open filters and i thank you for helping me post pictures a while back but its obvious you know nothing about quality control and you love listening to the hype.. i too fell for it for a while but im too smart to not see a problem when quality control starts to become an issue. Im hoping they will improve but until then you can keep them...I believe you also used other junk frams in the past but to each his own.. My name here might say im crazy but im not stupid.. Like kbmag said (it might just be a worn tool) Still a quality issue! If thats the case fix the worn tool already.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: David_Corbett
It is my thoroughly non-professional opinion that the BITOG disease is, in some cases, obsessive-compulsive disorder or one of its relatives among the other anxiety disorders.
The desire to exhaustively research and analyse all components put into a valued object (a car or truck), even to the point of careful inspection of minute particulars far beyond what is done by an average person, may be a manifestation of non-stereotypical compulsive behaviour intended to alleviate general or specific anxiety that results from said disordered thinking.
I don't mean that as an insult; the line between a geeky hobby and a compulsion would depend on whether it is maladaptive. (And I am speaking from personal experience.)
LoL ... guess that means all engineering type people have that "disorder" to some degree. But then there are those who don't really have an engineering type background with an aptitude to actually make sound decisions (like what oil filter to use) based on engineering principles and facts, so those are probably the ones who actually have the "disorder".
Oh my goodness, not at all. People can pick filters for whatever reason they like. Do blue filters make you happy? Great! So long as buying blue filters doesn't you or anyone else cause any problems, there's no reason to pathologize it at all. If bench racing specs makes you happy, go for it!
It's a problem if you end up paralyzed and unable to decide or if, like the OP, you end up inspecting the minutest particulars of oil filter internal construction because you're convinced that terrible things will happen if you don't.
(Irrationally, of course. If you're a Fram production engineer in charge of centre tube holes and the terrible thing that will happen is that you'll get fired for not doing your job, then that is of course completely reasonable.)
I only bring this up because anxiety disorders are actually very common and affect about a tenth of the population. They are, however, eminently treatable and tend to have very favourable prognoses. And that's my public service announcement
Originally Posted By: David_Corbett
It is my thoroughly non-professional opinion that the BITOG disease is, in some cases, obsessive-compulsive disorder or one of its relatives among the other anxiety disorders.
The desire to exhaustively research and analyse all components put into a valued object (a car or truck), even to the point of careful inspection of minute particulars far beyond what is done by an average person, may be a manifestation of non-stereotypical compulsive behaviour intended to alleviate general or specific anxiety that results from said disordered thinking.
I don't mean that as an insult; the line between a geeky hobby and a compulsion would depend on whether it is maladaptive. (And I am speaking from personal experience.)
LoL ... guess that means all engineering type people have that "disorder" to some degree. But then there are those who don't really have an engineering type background with an aptitude to actually make sound decisions (like what oil filter to use) based on engineering principles and facts, so those are probably the ones who actually have the "disorder".
Oh my goodness, not at all. People can pick filters for whatever reason they like. Do blue filters make you happy? Great! So long as buying blue filters doesn't you or anyone else cause any problems, there's no reason to pathologize it at all. If bench racing specs makes you happy, go for it!
It's a problem if you end up paralyzed and unable to decide or if, like the OP, you end up inspecting the minutest particulars of oil filter internal construction because you're convinced that terrible things will happen if you don't.
(Irrationally, of course. If you're a Fram production engineer in charge of centre tube holes and the terrible thing that will happen is that you'll get fired for not doing your job, then that is of course completely reasonable.)
I only bring this up because anxiety disorders are actually very common and affect about a tenth of the population. They are, however, eminently treatable and tend to have very favourable prognoses. And that's my public service announcement
So what your saying is that most of the people on here are mentally ill but that there's hope for them still?
I think the first sign that they're recovering from their mental illness when they go back to motorcraft an wix haha
I think the first sign that they're recovering from their mental illness when they go back to motorcraft an wix haha
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ Now how fun would life be if everyone was rational, logical and not suffering from anxiety?
Haha yeah.keeps things colorful
^^^ Now how fun would life be if everyone was rational, logical and not suffering from anxiety?
Haha yeah.keeps things colorful
No problems on this side either. That lip is just a natural process from being punched through the metal. I could understand if there were actual burs or shavings of metal just barely hanging on inside becoming easily detached.
L8R,
Matt
L8R,
Matt
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ The flared out lip on the center tube holes is what crazyoildude is all bothered over. As said earlier, I see no problem if the holes have a little flare around the circumference of the hole, and there will not be any "burrs" on those holes to worry about.
No problems on this side either. That lip is just a natural process from being punched through the metal. I could understand if there were actual burs or shavings of metal just barely hanging on inside becoming easily detached.
L8R,
Matt
^^^ The flared out lip on the center tube holes is what crazyoildude is all bothered over. As said earlier, I see no problem if the holes have a little flare around the circumference of the hole, and there will not be any "burrs" on those holes to worry about.
No problems on this side either. That lip is just a natural process from being punched through the metal. I could understand if there were actual burs or shavings of metal just barely hanging on inside becoming easily detached.
L8R,
Matt
It must not be that big of a deal. Jay (Motorking) from FRAM has yet to chime in.
Motorking should chime in, be interested to know how they clean and prepare the center tube after making it. The point on the burs is valid, it's like new engine break in, there is some chance of steel particles coming off.
I get the impression Asian filters might be better prepared as they go through the trouble of putting a plastic over the end of the filter. More attention to details?
I have the disorder, going to see the doctor.
I get the impression Asian filters might be better prepared as they go through the trouble of putting a plastic over the end of the filter. More attention to details?
I have the disorder, going to see the doctor.
Anthem,
Ok say it is just a "natural process" then why is this "natural process" not on every single XG-2 ???
I also pm'ed Motorking but he did not get back to me yet but to his defence he did not sign on in over a month and im sure he is a busy guy. Im sure he will chime in when he sees this or maybe he saw it already and is asking why they look like this.
Ok say it is just a "natural process" then why is this "natural process" not on every single XG-2 ???
I also pm'ed Motorking but he did not get back to me yet but to his defence he did not sign on in over a month and im sure he is a busy guy. Im sure he will chime in when he sees this or maybe he saw it already and is asking why they look like this.
Probably because their punch wears each time its used and makes a less neat cut on the ones later in its life. Then they replace it and for awhile it makes nice sharp cuts again. If there was something hanging waiting to fall of, that would be a problem, but I don't see anything wrong with that particular filter.
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Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Ok say it is just a "natural process" then why is this "natural process" not on every single XG-2 ???
COD - what is the tolerance and specification for hole punching? I daresay if it has the correct sized and number of holes in the center tube and there are no "hanging chads or shards" then it is within specification. You seem to have some seriously critical expectations/tolerances for holes in a mass produced filter which is to be replaced at a set interval and costs $25 or something similar and was expected to last years, that might be one thing, but come on man--it is a disposable spin-on filter.
At any rate...you should stop using them ASAP to maintain your sanity
Ok say it is just a "natural process" then why is this "natural process" not on every single XG-2 ???
COD - what is the tolerance and specification for hole punching? I daresay if it has the correct sized and number of holes in the center tube and there are no "hanging chads or shards" then it is within specification. You seem to have some seriously critical expectations/tolerances for holes in a mass produced filter which is to be replaced at a set interval and costs $25 or something similar and was expected to last years, that might be one thing, but come on man--it is a disposable spin-on filter.
At any rate...you should stop using them ASAP to maintain your sanity
Hi Motorking,
Do you know the flow rate on the Ultra? I see many filters are around 20 gpm. Is the filter ok to use with dino oil? Thanks!
Do you know the flow rate on the Ultra? I see many filters are around 20 gpm. Is the filter ok to use with dino oil? Thanks!
Honestly boys, there is NOTHING wrong with that filter. If using a WIX XP or Purolator Boss at 50-60% eficiency@20 microns makes you feel better about the HOLES, go for it. Only Ultra, Royal Purple and Amsoil are 99%@20 microns with syntetic media, the rest are overpriced posers.
And, I now feel dumber for having read this thread. But i got paid for it!
And, I now feel dumber for having read this thread. But i got paid for it!
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