Fram: Tough vs Ultra Guard

[Ablebody]

Originally Posted by Whimsey
At the Walmart's near me there is a whopping $2.33 difference between the Tough Guard and the Ultra Guard oil filters for my sizes. It's such a small difference in costs for a a much better filter that can be used for multiple oil changes up to 20,000 mi, thus actually costing less in the end. The Extra Guard filter, the orange can, is $5 less than the Ultra Guard. If you're going to do ~5,000 mi OCIs then it's worth it to use the Extra Guard oil filter. And now the Extra Guard, orange can, has a silicone ADV that makes it even a better deal.

Whimsey

And for $1 more you can upgrade from an ultra to a m1 at Walmart.

 

[RayCJ]

Thanks everyone for your help and information.

I'll try a change in procedures... I ordered a Fram UG and will keep it for 2 OCIs which will equate to about 12k miles. This is a new practice (for me) that I'll need to become comfortable with but since there are folks getting 12k miles out of a single oil change, I should be OK. As mentioned before, I've never done UOA before but will on the first few cycles of oil changes.

Too bad there isn't a more cost effective testing service around because the test will cost more than the oil change. On a 1000hp V12 Mann marine engine, that holds 30 gallons of oil, a $30 test makes a lot of sense. I buy Milesyn in 5 gallon buckets because the other cars in my household use the same grade oil. Total component cost for me is around $22...

As for the M1 at an additional cost of $1... I really, really like the stippled friction grip on the Fram filters. Even though that's an external feature, not related to filtering ability, that extra dollar is a worthwhile expense to me

Ray

 

[bullwinkle]

Originally Posted by Ablebody
Originally Posted by Whimsey
At the Walmart's near me there is a whopping $2.33 difference between the Tough Guard and the Ultra Guard oil filters for my sizes. It's such a small difference in costs for a a much better filter that can be used for multiple oil changes up to 20,000 mi, thus actually costing less in the end. The Extra Guard filter, the orange can, is $5 less than the Ultra Guard. If you're going to do ~5,000 mi OCIs then it's worth it to use the Extra Guard oil filter. And now the Extra Guard, orange can, has a silicone ADV that makes it even a better deal.

Whimsey

And for $1 more you can upgrade from an ultra to a m1 at Walmart.
Considering the M1 is not full synthetic, costs more, and some models have been showing issues, an M1 is more of a downgrade. FIFY.

 

[RyanY]

Originally Posted by jongies3
TG is what I use on my Toyota for 8k intervals. Although, a standard orange Fram could easily do the interval you specified. I've used the Ultra before and have one remaining in my stash, I just can't justify "wasting" them on such short intervals, either! Lol


Eh. I use the ultra and change it every 5-6k oci. It is literally $2.50 more than a TG at the local walmart. I waste about that amount on a gallon of gas just driving to said walmart to buy the oil/filter.

 

[Ablebody]

Originally Posted by bullwinkle
Originally Posted by Ablebody
Originally Posted by Whimsey
At the Walmart's near me there is a whopping $2.33 difference between the Tough Guard and the Ultra Guard oil filters for my sizes. It's such a small difference in costs for a a much better filter that can be used for multiple oil changes up to 20,000 mi, thus actually costing less in the end. The Extra Guard filter, the orange can, is $5 less than the Ultra Guard. If you're going to do ~5,000 mi OCIs then it's worth it to use the Extra Guard oil filter. And now the Extra Guard, orange can, has a silicone ADV that makes it even a better deal.

Whimsey

And for $1 more you can upgrade from an ultra to a m1 at Walmart.
Considering the M1 is not full synthetic, costs more, and some models have been showing issues, an M1 is more of a downgrade. FIFY.

Upgrades usually do cost more but it's just a dollar. Full synthetic or synthetic blend matters why If the filter can preform as advertised for 20k? M1 has a thicker can and a built-in bypass valve. I had an iltra that showed issues.

 

[bullwinkle]

Not when you buy the iltra Ultra in a six pack from eBay, especially when you catch one of their 15% off codes that they've had lately, then Ultras can be under $4. The Mobil 1 is pretty much only a good deal when there is a rebate combo with Mobil 1, and the "A" suffix filters are NOT as good as the previous Champ made ones. Honestly, I think the leftover Distance Plus filters were a better deal than Mobil 1s, with a tank-like structure & silicone ADBV. I don't "hate" the Mobil 1 filters, I just don't think they're worth twice as much.

 

[Whimsey]

Originally Posted by bullwinkle
Not when you buy the iltra Ultra in a six pack from eBay, especially when you catch one of their 15% off codes that they've had lately, then Ultras can be under $4. The Mobil 1 is pretty much only a good deal when there is a rebate combo with Mobil 1, and the "A" suffix filters are NOT as good as the previous Champ made ones. Honestly, I think the leftover Distance Plus filters were a better deal than Mobil 1s, with a tank-like structure & silicone ADBV. I don't "hate" the Mobil 1 filters, I just don't think they're worth twice as much.


Why aren't the Mobil 1 oil filters that now have an "A" suffix not as good as the previous Mobil 1 oil filters? With the Mobil rebates I pay ~ $5 or less for the Mobil 1 oil filter when I purchase the oil and filter and use the Mobil 1 rebate. I do this twice a year and accumulate a nice cheap stash of Mobil 1 and Mobil 1 oil filters.

Whimsey

 

[Ablebody]

Originally Posted by bullwinkle
Not when you buy the iltra Ultra in a six pack from eBay, especially when you catch one of their 15% off codes that they've had lately, then Ultras can be under $4. The Mobil 1 is pretty much only a good deal when there is a rebate combo with Mobil 1, and the "A" suffix filters are NOT as good as the previous Champ made ones. Honestly, I think the leftover Distance Plus filters were a better deal than Mobil 1s, with a tank-like structure & silicone ADBV. I don't "hate" the Mobil 1 filters, I just don't think they're worth twice as much.

Well that's like 120k miles of usage if you get the full time out of those ultras. Apparently you can get the m1s for $5 with their rebate.
Who's making the m1 now if not champ?
How do you know they're not as good?

 

[Lubener]

For 5-6k runs, either will be fine. Doubt any measurable differences there.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Originally Posted by Ablebody
Originally Posted by bullwinkle
Not when you buy the iltra Ultra in a six pack from eBay, especially when you catch one of their 15% off codes that they've had lately, then Ultras can be under $4. The Mobil 1 is pretty much only a good deal when there is a rebate combo with Mobil 1, and the "A" suffix filters are NOT as good as the previous Champ made ones. Honestly, I think the leftover Distance Plus filters were a better deal than Mobil 1s, with a tank-like structure & silicone ADBV. I don't "hate" the Mobil 1 filters, I just don't think they're worth twice as much.

Well that's like 120k miles of usage if you get the full time out of those ultras. Apparently you can get the m1s for $5 with their rebate.
Who's making the m1 now if not champ?
How do you know they're not as good?


Mobil 1s are still Champ in most-all applications.

I cannot find a link for Mobil 1 oil filter rebates. Do you have a link?

 

[Ablebody]

Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by Ablebody
Originally Posted by bullwinkle
Not when you buy the iltra Ultra in a six pack from eBay, especially when you catch one of their 15% off codes that they've had lately, then Ultras can be under $4. The Mobil 1 is pretty much only a good deal when there is a rebate combo with Mobil 1, and the "A" suffix filters are NOT as good as the previous Champ made ones. Honestly, I think the leftover Distance Plus filters were a better deal than Mobil 1s, with a tank-like structure & silicone ADBV. I don't "hate" the Mobil 1 filters, I just don't think they're worth twice as much.

Well that's like 120k miles of usage if you get the full time out of those ultras. Apparently you can get the m1s for $5 with their rebate.
Who's making the m1 now if not champ?
How do you know they're not as good?


Mobil 1s are still Champ in most-all applications.

I cannot find a link for Mobil 1 oil filter rebates. Do you have a link?

Apparently they do. A poster in this thread gets them for $5.
So still champ made? Must be about the same as before then huh?