Fram PH9837 Cut open. Ugh!
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Pleat spacing (amount of media) does look too skimpy with the Fram ExtraGuard. Sure it didn't tear, but I'm wondering if the wavy fiber end caps didn't leak a little in usage. ????
This is a reason to use all-synthetic wire-backed media to be sure.
If you don't want to do an engine 5-minute flush at an oil change, add Gumout MultiSystem in the oil sump and leave it in for a month right before you change the oil.
This is a reason to use all-synthetic wire-backed media to be sure.
If you don't want to do an engine 5-minute flush at an oil change, add Gumout MultiSystem in the oil sump and leave it in for a month right before you change the oil.
Originally Posted By: dishdude
$3.79 buys you a better filter. Who said anything about a Mann or Purolator? I am comparing MicroGard to OCOD.
Who said anything about anything? For $5.15 you can get this better instead of a $7.49 Wix:
http://www.pepboys.com/product/details/618193/01036
Less if you wait for higher % off. Since it is about defending Wix by website prices, it should be OK to demolish that with other website prices.
$3.79 buys you a better filter. Who said anything about a Mann or Purolator? I am comparing MicroGard to OCOD.
Who said anything about anything? For $5.15 you can get this better instead of a $7.49 Wix:
http://www.pepboys.com/product/details/618193/01036
Less if you wait for higher % off. Since it is about defending Wix by website prices, it should be OK to demolish that with other website prices.
Originally Posted By: dishdude
$3.79 buys you a better filter. Who said anything about a Mann or Purolator? I am comparing MicroGard to OCOD.
Before you posted this I hadn't connected the OP's pics and realized that this orange can application doesn't include an adbv. Equivalent filters from other brands include an adbv. While it may be true that the 'original' oe filter application didn't use an adbv, the ACDelco OE PF61 equivalent for this application includes an adbv.
As for the noted equivalent MGL51522, linked below* are pics of a virgin dissection of said filter posted here. The OP's possible contributing issues aside, if strictly given the choice between the two equivalents, even at similar price point, I know which filter I'd choose.
That said, the Wix equivalent Napa Gold can be had at many Napas on their semi annual sales for ~$3.60.
*https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3127677
$3.79 buys you a better filter. Who said anything about a Mann or Purolator? I am comparing MicroGard to OCOD.
Before you posted this I hadn't connected the OP's pics and realized that this orange can application doesn't include an adbv. Equivalent filters from other brands include an adbv. While it may be true that the 'original' oe filter application didn't use an adbv, the ACDelco OE PF61 equivalent for this application includes an adbv.
As for the noted equivalent MGL51522, linked below* are pics of a virgin dissection of said filter posted here. The OP's possible contributing issues aside, if strictly given the choice between the two equivalents, even at similar price point, I know which filter I'd choose.
That said, the Wix equivalent Napa Gold can be had at many Napas on their semi annual sales for ~$3.60.
*https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3127677
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Pleat spacing (amount of media) does look too skimpy with the Fram ExtraGuard. Sure it didn't tear, but I'm wondering if the wavy fiber end caps didn't leak a little in usage. ????
Earlier in the thread I said the end caps look like they are deformed. It's possible it was leaking, and if some people can't see that then they are drinking too much Fram juice.
Pleat spacing (amount of media) does look too skimpy with the Fram ExtraGuard. Sure it didn't tear, but I'm wondering if the wavy fiber end caps didn't leak a little in usage. ????
Earlier in the thread I said the end caps look like they are deformed. It's possible it was leaking, and if some people can't see that then they are drinking too much Fram juice.
I'm not sure you understand how oil flows through a filter. Oil is supposed to flow past the endcaps on the portion that is pictured, so I presume that is what you are referring to.
In fact on the inlet side the Fram fiber endcaps are octagonal in order to promote this flow.
The endcaps should seal at the center tube however. But since that is not pictured I didn't think that was what you meant.
In fact on the inlet side the Fram fiber endcaps are octagonal in order to promote this flow.
The endcaps should seal at the center tube however. But since that is not pictured I didn't think that was what you meant.
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Originally Posted By: KCJeep
I'm not sure you understand how oil flows through a filter. Oil is supposed to flow past the endcaps on the portion that is pictured, so I presume that is what you are referring to. In fact on the inlet side the Fram fiber endcaps are octagonal in order to promote this flow. The endcaps should seal at the center tube however. But since that is not pictured I didn't think that was what you meant.
+1 - not sure there is an understanding of how the seal and oil flow is accomplished. Though I do not like the Extra Guard filter (simply because there are other filters with more media), the seal on the ends of the filter is not an issue. The photo below shows how the seal is accomplished--the green circle of the bypass valve plate fits inside the red circle of the filter and the seal is made between the end cap "gasket" and the metal center tube. The same applies on the other end for the ADBV. As long as the assembly is held under pressure by the tension on the bypass valve plate, the seal is accomplished.
I'm not sure you understand how oil flows through a filter. Oil is supposed to flow past the endcaps on the portion that is pictured, so I presume that is what you are referring to. In fact on the inlet side the Fram fiber endcaps are octagonal in order to promote this flow. The endcaps should seal at the center tube however. But since that is not pictured I didn't think that was what you meant.
+1 - not sure there is an understanding of how the seal and oil flow is accomplished. Though I do not like the Extra Guard filter (simply because there are other filters with more media), the seal on the ends of the filter is not an issue. The photo below shows how the seal is accomplished--the green circle of the bypass valve plate fits inside the red circle of the filter and the seal is made between the end cap "gasket" and the metal center tube. The same applies on the other end for the ADBV. As long as the assembly is held under pressure by the tension on the bypass valve plate, the seal is accomplished.
Wavy fiber end caps should still rest against the metal flats I guess. As long as they don't fall apart entirely, should be OK. Metal center tube provides structural support. Actually a small amount of waviness in the end cap closest to the inlet/outlet end wouldn't be bad as long as the openings were very small. Still, I prefer metal endcaps.
Originally Posted By: HangFire
I'm having trouble sorting this all out. They believe in dealer oil changes, but NextGen on clearance and Fram filters were used. Did they provide the oil and filter to the dealer for each change?
I'm having trouble sorting this all out. They believe in dealer oil changes, but NextGen on clearance and Fram filters were used. Did they provide the oil and filter to the dealer for each change?
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Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Okay. The MG is worth the extra $0.11
Now you are just refusing to see my point.
I guarantee that WIX would look just as "ugly" as this Fram did.
Not a chance. You might have some wavy media but that would be it. The Fram had huge gaps in the pleats due to the lack of media and wavy end caps thanks to their use of fiber. Feel free to use this junk on your engine, I will not. The quality on them is way too inconsistent.
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Okay. The MG is worth the extra $0.11
Now you are just refusing to see my point.
I guarantee that WIX would look just as "ugly" as this Fram did.
Not a chance. You might have some wavy media but that would be it. The Fram had huge gaps in the pleats due to the lack of media and wavy end caps thanks to their use of fiber. Feel free to use this junk on your engine, I will not. The quality on them is way too inconsistent.
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
When is an ugly filter not ugly?
When it's a FRAM.....
You guys and your bandwagon shenanigans.
Ill admit the Extra Guard isnt my top pick, but given this particular model and situation, I dont think this one looks bad at all. Have you seen the PH3600? That is loaded with media.
A while back, someone either posted (or posted a link to) a PH16 that only had 3k on it which believe it came off an older V8 durango. That I wasnt a fan of whatsoever and I will most likely never use one on my Jeep.
When is an ugly filter not ugly?
When it's a FRAM.....
You guys and your bandwagon shenanigans.
Ill admit the Extra Guard isnt my top pick, but given this particular model and situation, I dont think this one looks bad at all. Have you seen the PH3600? That is loaded with media.
A while back, someone either posted (or posted a link to) a PH16 that only had 3k on it which believe it came off an older V8 durango. That I wasnt a fan of whatsoever and I will most likely never use one on my Jeep.
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Ill admit the Extra Guard isnt my top pick, but given this particular model and situation, I dont think this one looks bad at all. Have you seen the PH3600? That is loaded with media.
A while back, someone either posted (or posted a link to) a PH16 that only had 3k on it which believe it came off an older V8 durango. That I wasnt a fan of whatsoever and I will most likely never use one on my Jeep.
Thank you for proving my point, clearly the quality is inconsistent. Some look good, some look absolutely terrible. Since we have admitted that, why would someone invest time in researching what is best for their engine and then buy a substandard filter with questionable and inconsistent quality?
You admit you won't use one, but still call others out for pointing to the low quality construction of the filter.
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
This is why nobody takes you seriously on BITOG.
We were talking about oil filters, and you have to make it personal. Not cool. The pictures speak for themselves, people can make their own decisions on what filter they want to use.
Ill admit the Extra Guard isnt my top pick, but given this particular model and situation, I dont think this one looks bad at all. Have you seen the PH3600? That is loaded with media.
A while back, someone either posted (or posted a link to) a PH16 that only had 3k on it which believe it came off an older V8 durango. That I wasnt a fan of whatsoever and I will most likely never use one on my Jeep.
Thank you for proving my point, clearly the quality is inconsistent. Some look good, some look absolutely terrible. Since we have admitted that, why would someone invest time in researching what is best for their engine and then buy a substandard filter with questionable and inconsistent quality?
You admit you won't use one, but still call others out for pointing to the low quality construction of the filter.
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
This is why nobody takes you seriously on BITOG.
We were talking about oil filters, and you have to make it personal. Not cool. The pictures speak for themselves, people can make their own decisions on what filter they want to use.
That filter looks terrible after 3k miles. I have had other brands that didn't look that bad after 9k (Pureone being the closest comparable model as I don't use classics.)
I would be looking for a new filter too.
But I'm sure that some here will still chock this up to Another "win" for the cardboard camp right?
I would be looking for a new filter too.
But I'm sure that some here will still chock this up to Another "win" for the cardboard camp right?
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