'03 Cummins Ram should have at least a 1 year/7500 mile (roughly 12K KM) rated oil change interval. That filter wasn't made correctly, hopefully nothing bad made it through & damaged anything-I would be using a better filter than that, & the Baldwin is an excellent choice. I like Fram on most vehicles & run them every day, but a PH3976A would never make it on a Cummins I worked on.
Fram PH3976A... Did I Tear It?
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Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
'03 Cummins Ram should have at least a 1 year/7500 mile (roughly 12K KM) rated oil change interval. That filter wasn't made correctly, hopefully nothing bad made it through & damaged anything-I would be using a better filter than that, & the Baldwin is an excellent choice. I like Fram on most vehicles & run them every day, but a PH3976A would never make it on a Cummins I worked on.
On the Cummins' I own I only use Fleetguard. I wonder if the guy will come back to see me next year for service? LOL. But the Baldwin I put on is no slouch either. I put a Baldwin fuel filter in too cause it has one of the best efficiency ratings.
I think the Fram Wearguard is an older filter that was on the shelf for a while.
I cut open a John Deere filter last night. Do you guys want to see it? It's drying right now.
'03 Cummins Ram should have at least a 1 year/7500 mile (roughly 12K KM) rated oil change interval. That filter wasn't made correctly, hopefully nothing bad made it through & damaged anything-I would be using a better filter than that, & the Baldwin is an excellent choice. I like Fram on most vehicles & run them every day, but a PH3976A would never make it on a Cummins I worked on.
On the Cummins' I own I only use Fleetguard. I wonder if the guy will come back to see me next year for service? LOL. But the Baldwin I put on is no slouch either. I put a Baldwin fuel filter in too cause it has one of the best efficiency ratings.
I think the Fram Wearguard is an older filter that was on the shelf for a while.
I cut open a John Deere filter last night. Do you guys want to see it? It's drying right now.
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Originally Posted By: Farmer
I think the Fram Wearguard is an older filter that was on the shelf for a while.
I just noticed that its a wearguard, is that an older model or just the name of the bigger filters? it might be from the era when it got it's notorious OCOD nickname, all the recent fram extra guards I have seen cut open look pretty good(no tears)
I think the Fram Wearguard is an older filter that was on the shelf for a while.
I just noticed that its a wearguard, is that an older model or just the name of the bigger filters? it might be from the era when it got it's notorious OCOD nickname, all the recent fram extra guards I have seen cut open look pretty good(no tears)
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Originally Posted By: Farmer
I cut open a John Deere filter last night. Do you guys want to see it? It's drying right now.
sure
I cut open a John Deere filter last night. Do you guys want to see it? It's drying right now.
sure
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Originally Posted By: Farmer
I think the Fram Wearguard is an older filter that was on the shelf for a while.
I just noticed that its a wearguard, is that an older model or just the name of the bigger filters? it might be from the era when it got it's notorious OCOD nickname, all the recent fram extra guards I have seen cut open look pretty good(no tears)
nvm, its the commercial heavy duty orange can line...
Originally Posted By: Farmer
I think the Fram Wearguard is an older filter that was on the shelf for a while.
I just noticed that its a wearguard, is that an older model or just the name of the bigger filters? it might be from the era when it got it's notorious OCOD nickname, all the recent fram extra guards I have seen cut open look pretty good(no tears)
nvm, its the commercial heavy duty orange can line...
Originally Posted By: 01_celica_gt
Originally Posted By: 01_celica_gt
Originally Posted By: Farmer
I think the Fram Wearguard is an older filter that was on the shelf for a while.
I just noticed that its a wearguard, is that an older model or just the name of the bigger filters? it might be from the era when it got it's notorious OCOD nickname, all the recent fram extra guards I have seen cut open look pretty good(no tears)
nvm, its the commercial heavy duty orange can line...
Residential not so heavy duty line.
Originally Posted By: 01_celica_gt
Originally Posted By: Farmer
I think the Fram Wearguard is an older filter that was on the shelf for a while.
I just noticed that its a wearguard, is that an older model or just the name of the bigger filters? it might be from the era when it got it's notorious OCOD nickname, all the recent fram extra guards I have seen cut open look pretty good(no tears)
nvm, its the commercial heavy duty orange can line...
Residential not so heavy duty line.
I use Donaldson/Fleetguard/Luberfiner exclusively for my heavy duty needs, and never see anything like this.
Loose oil filter does not surprise me. When you have a filter kind of packed around like that, lazy mechanics don't tighten them correctly.
Loose oil filter does not surprise me. When you have a filter kind of packed around like that, lazy mechanics don't tighten them correctly.
Originally Posted By: Farmer
It is hard to tell that's why I posted up on here. When cutting I did jerk the baseplate a bit but I don't think it caused it to tear. I'm not too sure if that's the torn side or not.
I don't see a bypass valve on this filter, but if it had one it would be on the dome end. Look at the end caps as see if you can tell which one mated with the leaf spring in the dome end (look for wear marks between them). That might tell you which end is which.
It is hard to tell that's why I posted up on here. When cutting I did jerk the baseplate a bit but I don't think it caused it to tear. I'm not too sure if that's the torn side or not.
I don't see a bypass valve on this filter, but if it had one it would be on the dome end. Look at the end caps as see if you can tell which one mated with the leaf spring in the dome end (look for wear marks between them). That might tell you which end is which.
Originally Posted By: Farmer
This one doesn't have one. Spring / closed bottom and a open hole on top. It's a full flow kind of deal.
Filter bypass is probably built into the engine block, like an GMs.
Still, if you look closely at the metal end caps, you might be able to tell which end the leaf spring was sitting on, and thereby tell if the end that is torn was by the base of by the dome.
This one doesn't have one. Spring / closed bottom and a open hole on top. It's a full flow kind of deal.
Filter bypass is probably built into the engine block, like an GMs.
Still, if you look closely at the metal end caps, you might be able to tell which end the leaf spring was sitting on, and thereby tell if the end that is torn was by the base of by the dome.
I have never seen one of those that I remember. I don't think the OP tore it I believe it tore under use. Looks an awful lot like the Puro's that tore at the wide pleats near the seam.
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
I have never seen one of those that I remember. I don't think the OP tore it I believe it tore under use. Looks an awful lot like the Puro's that tore at the wide pleats near the seam.
It looks actually quite similar to the Purolator I cut open now you guys speak of it... It came with my '10 Dodge Ram 3500. I ran it for 10K KM and it did not tear. They did an OCI the day I bought it so I knew the mileage on the oil / filter.
Quaker State filters are the same as Purolator right? If it is I'm willing to buy one when its on sale to compare to this one.
I have never seen one of those that I remember. I don't think the OP tore it I believe it tore under use. Looks an awful lot like the Puro's that tore at the wide pleats near the seam.
It looks actually quite similar to the Purolator I cut open now you guys speak of it... It came with my '10 Dodge Ram 3500. I ran it for 10K KM and it did not tear. They did an OCI the day I bought it so I knew the mileage on the oil / filter.
Quaker State filters are the same as Purolator right? If it is I'm willing to buy one when its on sale to compare to this one.
Originally Posted By: Farmer
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
I have never seen one of those that I remember. I don't think the OP tore it I believe it tore under use. Looks an awful lot like the Puro's that tore at the wide pleats near the seam.
It looks actually quite similar to the Purolator I cut open now you guys speak of it... It came with my '10 Dodge Ram 3500. I ran it for 10K KM and it did not tear. They did an OCI the day I bought it so I knew the mileage on the oil / filter.
Quaker State filters are the same as Purolator right? If it is I'm willing to buy one when its on sale to compare to this one.
Something is not right...
it does not look like a purolator tear. Purolator tears pushed from the seam out, the fram pushed towards the seam. Most purolators also recessed near the tear (the pleat moving towards the interior of the filter), this filter does not look like the media move towards the interior the the filter. Finally,other pleats near the ones that tore look damaged, the pleats near the failed ones are often "ok" for purolators. Finally, the Purolators tear with significant media on both sides of the rip, the fram looks more like it separated from the endcap... there is some media fibers, but nothing like the chunks of media on both sides of the purolator tear
Here are Purofailures,
and here is the fram
Not saying it did not fail-tear, but the tear patterns are noticeably different
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
I have never seen one of those that I remember. I don't think the OP tore it I believe it tore under use. Looks an awful lot like the Puro's that tore at the wide pleats near the seam.
It looks actually quite similar to the Purolator I cut open now you guys speak of it... It came with my '10 Dodge Ram 3500. I ran it for 10K KM and it did not tear. They did an OCI the day I bought it so I knew the mileage on the oil / filter.
Quaker State filters are the same as Purolator right? If it is I'm willing to buy one when its on sale to compare to this one.
Something is not right...
it does not look like a purolator tear. Purolator tears pushed from the seam out, the fram pushed towards the seam. Most purolators also recessed near the tear (the pleat moving towards the interior of the filter), this filter does not look like the media move towards the interior the the filter. Finally,other pleats near the ones that tore look damaged, the pleats near the failed ones are often "ok" for purolators. Finally, the Purolators tear with significant media on both sides of the rip, the fram looks more like it separated from the endcap... there is some media fibers, but nothing like the chunks of media on both sides of the purolator tear
Here are Purofailures,
and here is the fram
Not saying it did not fail-tear, but the tear patterns are noticeably different
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