Fram oil filter Ferrari 308 GTB cut open
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I'm trying to figure out who would even put an orange filter on a 308!! At least use an ultra on that!
Caused by too much delta-p across the media, which could be caused by a few different things. If that Ferrari 308 has a high volume oil pump and/or he's using thicker oil on the track, then that will produce more delta-p across the filter. The filter should still be able to take it, because the media and center tube should easily be able to take the delta-p the filter bypass is set to, and then some more.
But this failure looks to be more like the pump's pressure relief went bonkers - and it could have been a momentary pressure relief valve hiccup and then became unstuck which is why he doesn't see any issue with it after getting home. If the pressure relieve valve doesn't relieve the pressure correctly, the center tub could get crushed on almost any oil filter. If it was the pressure relieve not working correctly and it happens again, chances are whatever filter is on the car at the time will suffer the same failure.
Nobody even commented on that chat board about the collapsed filter ... strange.
But this failure looks to be more like the pump's pressure relief went bonkers - and it could have been a momentary pressure relief valve hiccup and then became unstuck which is why he doesn't see any issue with it after getting home. If the pressure relieve valve doesn't relieve the pressure correctly, the center tub could get crushed on almost any oil filter. If it was the pressure relieve not working correctly and it happens again, chances are whatever filter is on the car at the time will suffer the same failure.
Nobody even commented on that chat board about the collapsed filter ... strange.
I have seen those pictures before, I believe they are quite old. And IIRC this was not the correct filter for the application or mechanical issue something like that. Despite the obvious obscene pressures it didn't appear to tear either.
Come on who would use a Fram orange can on a vehicle like that?.. On the other hand that filter looks a little suspect anyway it almost looked like someone crushed it in their hands..Over the years i have seen a few filters distort so this is not as uncommon as some may think.. I know some people call this filter the orange can of death but they have improved in recent years and are not so bad. I use the ultra these days and they have been a good filter so far.
There are very few filters available for these cars. I'm not even sure there are any readily availabe options other than the orange Fram. That's the only one even Fram makes for this application...
I'm sure there are others that are close to spec that may work, but the orange can is what you see on a lot of these cars.
I'm sure there are others that are close to spec that may work, but the orange can is what you see on a lot of these cars.
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Originally Posted By: KCJeep
I have seen those pictures before, I believe they are quite old. And IIRC this was not the correct filter for the application or mechanical issue something like that. Despite the obvious obscene pressures it didn't appear to tear either.
The post on the other chat board was made on 11-01-2016. Recent, or guy posting up what happened years ago?
I have seen those pictures before, I believe they are quite old. And IIRC this was not the correct filter for the application or mechanical issue something like that. Despite the obvious obscene pressures it didn't appear to tear either.
The post on the other chat board was made on 11-01-2016. Recent, or guy posting up what happened years ago?
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
I have seen those pictures before, I believe they are quite old. And IIRC this was not the correct filter for the application or mechanical issue something like that. Despite the obvious obscene pressures it didn't appear to tear either.
The post on the other chat board was made on 11-01-2016. Recent, or guy posting up what happened years ago?
KC is right.
Here is the original thread, at least I believe it is the original
original thread
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
I have seen those pictures before, I believe they are quite old. And IIRC this was not the correct filter for the application or mechanical issue something like that. Despite the obvious obscene pressures it didn't appear to tear either.
The post on the other chat board was made on 11-01-2016. Recent, or guy posting up what happened years ago?
KC is right.
Here is the original thread, at least I believe it is the original
original thread
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That is a very old filter based on graphics...
The redline looks pretty old too...
(Edit, Yep same picture was posted in 2013 and the post still says "sometime ago"...)
The redline looks pretty old too...
(Edit, Yep same picture was posted in 2013 and the post still says "sometime ago"...)
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Originally Posted By: JeepWJ19
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
I have seen those pictures before, I believe they are quite old. And IIRC this was not the correct filter for the application or mechanical issue something like that. Despite the obvious obscene pressures it didn't appear to tear either.
The post on the other chat board was made on 11-01-2016. Recent, or guy posting up what happened years ago?
KC is right.
Here is the original thread, at least I believe it is the original
original thread
Good find, and that thread was back in Feb 2013 ... and then the posting of the Fram failure said" "some time ago, i serviced my car, looking forward to getting it on the track again. I installed a fram filter, (received from PO and put in redline 20-50)"
As I suspected, he was using thick oil (20W-50) on the track too.
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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-9...tml#post7273374
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
I have seen those pictures before, I believe they are quite old. And IIRC this was not the correct filter for the application or mechanical issue something like that. Despite the obvious obscene pressures it didn't appear to tear either.
The post on the other chat board was made on 11-01-2016. Recent, or guy posting up what happened years ago?
KC is right.
Here is the original thread, at least I believe it is the original
original thread
Good find, and that thread was back in Feb 2013 ... and then the posting of the Fram failure said" "some time ago, i serviced my car, looking forward to getting it on the track again. I installed a fram filter, (received from PO and put in redline 20-50)"
As I suspected, he was using thick oil (20W-50) on the track too.
Direct link to post:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-9...tml#post7273374
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Yeah - that's an OMG moment to read the application ...
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
And IIRC this was not the correct filter for the application or mechanical issue something like that.
Although the thread is quite old....
Fram's website suggests that filter can be used on the Ferrari 308
Edit: I stand corrected. The gentleman's car is a 1977 GTB, Fram doesn't list the 2804-1 as compatible with that model year
And IIRC this was not the correct filter for the application or mechanical issue something like that.
Although the thread is quite old....
Fram's website suggests that filter can be used on the Ferrari 308
Edit: I stand corrected. The gentleman's car is a 1977 GTB, Fram doesn't list the 2804-1 as compatible with that model year
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Originally Posted By: JeepWJ19
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
And IIRC this was not the correct filter for the application or mechanical issue something like that.
Although the thread is quite old....
Fram's website suggests that filter can be used on the Ferrari 308
Edit: I stand corrected. The gentleman's car is a 1977 GTB, Fram doesn't list the 2804-1 as compatible with that model year
I see in the Fram website link that the filter does NOT have a bypass valve. So now you have two things on the Ferrari that could have contributed to the failure: 1) Oil pump pressure relief valve, and 2) The filter bypass valve that must be built into the engine block.
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
And IIRC this was not the correct filter for the application or mechanical issue something like that.
Although the thread is quite old....
Fram's website suggests that filter can be used on the Ferrari 308
Edit: I stand corrected. The gentleman's car is a 1977 GTB, Fram doesn't list the 2804-1 as compatible with that model year
I see in the Fram website link that the filter does NOT have a bypass valve. So now you have two things on the Ferrari that could have contributed to the failure: 1) Oil pump pressure relief valve, and 2) The filter bypass valve that must be built into the engine block.
Originally Posted By: Bud
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I'm trying to figure out who would even put an orange filter on a 308!! At least use an ultra on that!
Couldn't afford anything else due to the high payments on the 308.
Frams were factory fit on Ferraris of many years.
The payments on a 308 would be around the same as those on a high-zoot Accord or Camry since they cost about the same these days. The difference is that this car (really a Dino) will never get cheaper if maintained in decent running and looking condition while a new sedan can only get cheaper as the years go by.
This was Ferrari's first volume production car and there are a lot of them out there.
They aren't that expensive.
Of course, maintenance and repair would be another matter.
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I'm trying to figure out who would even put an orange filter on a 308!! At least use an ultra on that!
Couldn't afford anything else due to the high payments on the 308.
Frams were factory fit on Ferraris of many years.
The payments on a 308 would be around the same as those on a high-zoot Accord or Camry since they cost about the same these days. The difference is that this car (really a Dino) will never get cheaper if maintained in decent running and looking condition while a new sedan can only get cheaper as the years go by.
This was Ferrari's first volume production car and there are a lot of them out there.
They aren't that expensive.
Of course, maintenance and repair would be another matter.
Yeah. . . spend $200,000 for a sports car and then spend $3 for an oil filter. Typical stuff rich people do.
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