Great news!! Please post the build dates. Im trying to track the change over.@Glenda W. Just snagged two OG Titanium filters. Last two at this AAP. I’ll be good until 2026 as I’m running Amsoil Signature Series.
Fram Endurance Flashlight Test in canister
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I thought it would take a while to seep through the gaps. Come to find out the gaps are more like openings and the oil went right through!!
Oof. I’ll have to dig them back out later, but can do so.
No surprise there. If there is any void, any liquid should easily passively flow through it. It’s not rocket science!
HOW MUCH in comparison to filtered oil, when filter is actually flowing oil, is an entirely different ballgame! Again, any oil that does get past the closed valve, will eventually get filtered. So again, someone needs to simply test a suspect filter and then open it up. Until then, we will continue to see rampant speculation, ISO and past independent claims notwithstanding.
Not point in running a filter with a pair of holes in the base plate… better off with a wix xp or boss.
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Actually, the leak is not past a "closed valve" it is from the bracket (or leaf spring) that holds the valve. This bracket doubles as a leaf spring that holds the guts of the filter together. So, open or closed, the oil is still passing through this gap in the framework.
No, the gaps are there with closed “non activated” bypass.
SO what is the manufacturer saying??????
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We thought you were the rep.....
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What gaps are you looking at? Every one of these flashlight tests have shown a gap between the metal bracket & the filter media housing, completely separate from the poppet valve.
Not for the factory. Amsoil sells some of them yes, but honestly I have less pull than a person with the product when getting back to manufacture/design. THIS IS NOT JUST AN AMSOIL ISSUE! Not one of you have reached out to Fram? If NOT, why NOT???
If someone is my customer and they contact me offline, absolutely I will help them, heck I have helped people who are not my customer here on BITOG, but when it comes to filters, I am just an extra chain link. This is why I told Jim to get his $ back.
That said, I will contact Amsoil. I bet dollars to donuts they have no knowledge of this whatsoever.
Question #1. What filter part number(s) are we talking about?
Good post. 100% on point. Because you are helpful even to non-customers I definitely felt free to try to get your help here. Thank you for being you!
For me, it’s the Ea15k13 filter.
I have not used the topic FE7317 but I had considered doing so; only the Amsoil clone is cheaper as a PC.
I have yet to contact Amsoil. I am scheduling to do so tomorrow.
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Ok
I get what you’re saying. Technically we’re talking about leakage under the valve assembly. We all understand what the problem is.
Thanks!! All my OG’s are first and second quarter 2023 as well.
This entire saga is so unnecessary and we don’t even require a fix, if a simple test can demonstrate the leakage doesn’t materially impact filtration in any significant way. There’s a clear path to do so, and ISO doesn’t need to be involved….at least initially. Just have the people who performed the test 8 months ago do so again, only with an “Autopsy” after the test!
This was rig set up they used.
If you want details on HOW they test check out the video. This is NOT intended to debunk the current argument, but you can see some did have this bypass design, albeit no confirmation that they had actual gaps.
This was rig set up they used.
If you want details on HOW they test check out the video. This is NOT intended to debunk the current argument, but you can see some did have this bypass design, albeit no confirmation that they had actual gaps.
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Think he's finally seeing the same gaps as everyone else, lol. The ones that have been discussed for days in multiple threads.
From 8:15-8:17 time stamp in the above Brand Ranks video, it shows the bypass valves between the Amsoil and the FE. Can anyone make out if it appears to have the defect or is a light test still required? I’m not the best at eyeballing.
Yeah the ones no one mentioned to the filter manufacturer.Think he's finally seeing the same gaps as everyone else, lol. The ones that have been discussed for days in multiple threads.
As mentioned many times, nobody officially ISO efficiency testing these have opened them up for a visual inspection for leak gaps. Nor have the unofficial TY testers. Nobody knows if the efficiency seen was with or without leaks. If this ratty leaf spring is a relatively new manufacturing defect, then it even makes it harder to speculate the impact on efficiency, without further testing and proof of impact.
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