FRAM end cap differences EG and TG vs XG

[wemay]

I called FRAM today (800-890-2075) to question which filter in the 9688 series they recommend for my driving habits and 5000 max oci. (I've only used XG9688 in the past but only because it's their best filter, not necessarily based on best within my needs)
I learned something today.

A tech was consulted and recommended the orange can, PH9688. This is where i learned something...
I asked if the fiber end cap in the Extra Guard and Tough Guard is sturdy enough for GDi applications, mainly Hyundai/KIA. He advised "Absolutely, the end caps are not a structural component of filters. They are only there to secure the pleats. Fiber is used because it bonds the glue to the pleats better...both being porous. The only reason our XG filters use metal is because the wire backing needs extra support, not the pleats themselves."
He referred me to a two part YouTube Fram presentation which mentions this in part 1.

I appreciate he didn't try upselling me.

https://youtu.be/ecpkvsnKKNg

Good stuff.

 

[CT8]

Sturdy enough for GDI ?

 

[wemay]

That question was on behalf of the many who claim to have experienced "startup rattle" with aftermarket filters and subscribe to the "only oem" because of the tsb which is over a decade plus old now.

 

[CR94]

That was a reasonable answer. Another purpose of end caps is to prevent oil bypassing between the ends of pleats.

They use plastic end caps on cartridge filters. Any explanation?

 

[SlavaB]

That's a great information, but I have 1 concern.
I've checked the PH9688 price at Amazon/Walmart and it's ~$5.5 a piece.
For this price I'll better get an OEM or FPS from eBay.
Is there any supplier of an extra guard cheap enough to consider it over OEM?
It doesnt look like it has any advantage to me (so far at least, I might have missed smth?)

 

[MONKEYMAN]

I have OEM and Ultra for my Elantra. But if PH9688 and OEM is the choice I would got with OEM. To me, the Ultra is in another class which is why I bought it.

 

[SlavaB]

I agree with you MONKEYMAN, FPS is the same as Ultra that's why I've mentioned it

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted by SlavaB
Is there any supplier of an extra guard cheap enough to consider it over OEM?
It doesnt look like it has any advantage to me (so far at least, I might have missed smth?)


The EG is 95% @ 20μ which is most likely better than an OEM filter.

 

[wemay]

Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by SlavaB
Is there any supplier of an extra guard cheap enough to consider it over OEM?
It doesnt look like it has any advantage to me (so far at least, I might have missed smth?)


The EG is 95% @ 20μ which is most likely better than an OEM filter.


Yes. that's where i was going too. Thanks Z'
I'd rather have the efficiency although i still have a couple oem around here as well.

 

[Saul]

Originally Posted by CR94
That was a reasonable answer. Another purpose of end caps is to prevent oil bypassing between the ends of pleats.

They use plastic end caps on cartridge filters. Any explanation?



Most of those cartridge filters have some sort of locking method( to lock the filter into the top cap of the filter housing) built into the end cap. Also, those end caps are exposed, so user error(damage) and wear can occur.

 

[wemay]

Originally Posted by Saul
Originally Posted by CR94
That was a reasonable answer. Another purpose of end caps is to prevent oil bypassing between the ends of pleats.

They use plastic end caps on cartridge filters. Any explanation?



Most of those cartridge filters have some sort of locking method( to lock the filter into the top cap of the filter housing) built into the end cap. Also, those end caps are exposed, so user error(damage) and wear can occur.


Some Toyota spin on's don't have end caps at all.

 

[slacktide_bitog]

For a Hyundai, I'd use OEM, Premium Guard, Mann, or Full. Mann is the OE supplier, and the Mann part number is W811/80.

Napa has Mann and Full for about $5 each

 

[DuckRyder]

Originally Posted by wemay
Originally Posted by Saul
Originally Posted by CR94
That was a reasonable answer. Another purpose of end caps is to prevent oil bypassing between the ends of pleats.

They use plastic end caps on cartridge filters. Any explanation?



Most of those cartridge filters have some sort of locking method( to lock the filter into the top cap of the filter housing) built into the end cap. Also, those end caps are exposed, so user error(damage) and wear can occur.


Some Toyota spin on's don't have end caps at all.


In the case of those Toyota filters (and Honda A01) the pleats are glued shut creating an end cap

 

[SlavaB]

So is there any way to get a PH9688 for cheap?
At $6 ea I'll better buy an FPS while available.

 

[wemay]

Walmart here has them for $4.37
The TG9688 is $6
The XG9688 is $9.67

 

[wemay]

Originally Posted by DuckRyder
Originally Posted by wemay
Originally Posted by Saul
Originally Posted by CR94
That was a reasonable answer. Another purpose of end caps is to prevent oil bypassing between the ends of pleats.

They use plastic end caps on cartridge filters. Any explanation?



Most of those cartridge filters have some sort of locking method( to lock the filter into the top cap of the filter housing) built into the end cap. Also, those end caps are exposed, so user error(damage) and wear can occur.


Some Toyota spin on's don't have end caps at all.


In the case of those Toyota filters (and Honda A01) the pleats are glued shut creating an end cap


Yes, and a fiber end cap equates to the same principle.

 

[RooflessVW]

Originally Posted by CR94
They use plastic end caps on cartridge filters. Any explanation?

Mann makes their cartridge end caps out of the glue used to bond the pleats.

 

[CR94]

Originally Posted by DuckRyder
Originally Posted by wemay
Originally Posted by Saul
... Most of those cartridge filters have some sort of locking method( to lock the filter into the top cap of the filter housing) built into the end cap. ...
... Some Toyota spin on's don't have end caps at all.
... In the case of those Toyota filters (and Honda A01) the pleats are glued shut creating an end cap
There's no "locking method" on my cartridges. They're simply clamped endwise between the housing and cover, hard surface to hard surface.

Endcapless filters demonstrate that the Fram rep was not entirely correct stating that full-size end caps are necessary to lock the pleats in place. On endcapless filters, only the inner part of the pleats is secured in place, which is sufficient, as long as they also have the glued-shut pleat ends to prevent oil bypassing via that route.