FP60 vs. Lucas UCL
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From the above two posts I'm unable to tell which product is the older one.
Several. Do you think Lucas is such the cats meow?
So, which is better in UOA? Is there any negative used oil analysis because of Lucas?
It took me a while, but I broke down and bought a quart of UCL and have been using it for a couple months now.
This stuff as no smell!
Is this merely a light oil .... like pail/pale oil?
--- Bror Jace
This stuff as no smell!
Is this merely a light oil .... like pail/pale oil?
--- Bror Jace
I don't know. But, I do know the spelling you were looking for is "pale".
I haven't been impressed with a Lucas product to date ... and it doesn't look like it's gonna be UCL that makes the turn.
I may be getting a tick-better mileage ... but then agian, I know I got better mileage with MMO ... close to 5%.
UCL says it's a lubricant ... and a cleaner ... but with no solvents. I've heard ATF used as a top-cylinder lubricant by some here (Gary Allen or The Tan Sedan?) so I can see how a plain oil-type-substance might work as a cleaner.
What does pale oil look like?
I bought a quart of UCL ... and I feel I've been had.
--- Bror Jace
I may be getting a tick-better mileage ... but then agian, I know I got better mileage with MMO ... close to 5%.
UCL says it's a lubricant ... and a cleaner ... but with no solvents. I've heard ATF used as a top-cylinder lubricant by some here (Gary Allen or The Tan Sedan?) so I can see how a plain oil-type-substance might work as a cleaner.
What does pale oil look like?
I bought a quart of UCL ... and I feel I've been had.
--- Bror Jace
Are these additives similar in discription to Amsoil P.I.? I use the Amsoil in the hopes it does something, but since nobody ever mentions it, I guess there is something better.
If this is the LUCAS diesel and gasoline fuel additive, I have used it in both types of motors.
My old Chrysler ('71 383-powered) was tuned tighter than a snare drum for in-town throttle response and highway economy. It was also fuel quality sensitive, not just octane.
I preferred FUEL POWER any day, but the LUCAS helped in avoiding pinging. Just not quite as well as FP-60 or PRI-G.
As to ATF as an upper cylinder lube, I've certainly done it, but don't recall posting on it (that would have been around 15-20 years ago in V8 engines being asked to run at 2,800-plus rpm for several hours. Pre-1975 engines w/o fully hardened valve seats.) I couldn't say if it helped or not but had no problems afterwards.
My old Chrysler ('71 383-powered) was tuned tighter than a snare drum for in-town throttle response and highway economy. It was also fuel quality sensitive, not just octane.
I preferred FUEL POWER any day, but the LUCAS helped in avoiding pinging. Just not quite as well as FP-60 or PRI-G.
As to ATF as an upper cylinder lube, I've certainly done it, but don't recall posting on it (that would have been around 15-20 years ago in V8 engines being asked to run at 2,800-plus rpm for several hours. Pre-1975 engines w/o fully hardened valve seats.) I couldn't say if it helped or not but had no problems afterwards.
Not sure how much this helps, but I've used both. I haven't really noticed much of a difference other than the fact that the Lucas UCL is a thicker fluid.
I've tracked every single tank of gas in the Mazda3 in an Excel spreadsheet. I was just analyzing the data. We purchased our 3 in May '05 and I started using FP60 in Dec. '05. The first summer I didn't run any fuel system cleaners/lubricants. This summer I did. Between the two summers, there's been an avg. of +2 mpg in gas mileage (over a 5 month period).
Month - 2005/2006/Avg. Difference
Jan. - NA/29/NA
Feb. - NA/28/NA
Mar. - NA/28/NA
Apr. - NA/31/NA
May - 29/31/+2mpg
June - 29/30/+1mpg
July - 29/32/+3mpg
Aug. - 31/32/+1mpg
Sept. - 30/33/+3mpg
Oct. - 31/31/Even
Nov. - 28/NA/NA
Dec. - 28/NA/NA
To elaborate on the data:
Purchased car in May of 2005.
Started using FP60 in December of 2005.
Ran out of FP60 and switched to Lucas UCL in June of 2006.
Take it for what it's worth...
I've tracked every single tank of gas in the Mazda3 in an Excel spreadsheet. I was just analyzing the data. We purchased our 3 in May '05 and I started using FP60 in Dec. '05. The first summer I didn't run any fuel system cleaners/lubricants. This summer I did. Between the two summers, there's been an avg. of +2 mpg in gas mileage (over a 5 month period).
Month - 2005/2006/Avg. Difference
Jan. - NA/29/NA
Feb. - NA/28/NA
Mar. - NA/28/NA
Apr. - NA/31/NA
May - 29/31/+2mpg
June - 29/30/+1mpg
July - 29/32/+3mpg
Aug. - 31/32/+1mpg
Sept. - 30/33/+3mpg
Oct. - 31/31/Even
Nov. - 28/NA/NA
Dec. - 28/NA/NA
To elaborate on the data:
Purchased car in May of 2005.
Started using FP60 in December of 2005.
Ran out of FP60 and switched to Lucas UCL in June of 2006.
Take it for what it's worth...
Not sure how much this helps, but I've used both. I haven't really noticed much of a difference other than the fact that the Lucas UCL is a thicker fluid.
I've tracked every single tank of gas in the Mazda3 in an Excel spreadsheet. We purchased our 3 in May '05 and I started using FP60 in Dec. '05. I ran out of FP60 in June of 2006 and switched to Lucas UCL. The first summer I didn't run any fuel system cleaners/lubricants. This summer I did. Between the two summers, there's been an avg. of +2 mpg in gas mileage (over a 5 month period).
Month - 2005/2006/Avg. Difference
Jan. - NA/29/NA
Feb. - NA/28/NA
Mar. - NA/28/NA
Apr. - NA/31/NA
May - 29/31/+2mpg
June - 29/30/+1mpg
July - 29/32/+3mpg
Aug. - 31/32/+1mpg
Sept. - 30/33/+3mpg
Oct. - 31/NA/NA
Nov. - 28/NA/NA
Dec. - 28/NA/NA
To elaborate on the data:
Purchased car in May of 2005.
Started using FP60 in December of 2005.
Ran out of FP60 and switched to Lucas UCL in June of 2006.
Take it for what it's worth...
I've tracked every single tank of gas in the Mazda3 in an Excel spreadsheet. We purchased our 3 in May '05 and I started using FP60 in Dec. '05. I ran out of FP60 in June of 2006 and switched to Lucas UCL. The first summer I didn't run any fuel system cleaners/lubricants. This summer I did. Between the two summers, there's been an avg. of +2 mpg in gas mileage (over a 5 month period).
Month - 2005/2006/Avg. Difference
Jan. - NA/29/NA
Feb. - NA/28/NA
Mar. - NA/28/NA
Apr. - NA/31/NA
May - 29/31/+2mpg
June - 29/30/+1mpg
July - 29/32/+3mpg
Aug. - 31/32/+1mpg
Sept. - 30/33/+3mpg
Oct. - 31/NA/NA
Nov. - 28/NA/NA
Dec. - 28/NA/NA
To elaborate on the data:
Purchased car in May of 2005.
Started using FP60 in December of 2005.
Ran out of FP60 and switched to Lucas UCL in June of 2006.
Take it for what it's worth...
Lucas UCL or fuel adds do not impress this analyst based on UOA. Knowing that no one else has what is in FP and seeing consistently good UOA with it I do recommend it. I wish FP3000 would hit the streets.........
New gasoline SoyShield by Schaeffers would be a follow up add if FP cannot be procured. Techron is still a good bet too.
Chimay is one (UCL) application in hundreds of oil analysis reports that showed good results using other fuel adds. I would like to see his Toyota V8 in test with our Premium Service and get a read on his oxidation and nitration levels to gauge the effect of UCL or the reformulated fuels in use.
It was mentioned earlier at BITOG that the Top Tier fuels may be eliminating the need for fuel adds. As I promised I would comment on that effect....Well there may be something to that as I am seeing cleaner burns than last year to date. Need more time to verify the effect and what is contributing to it.
If UCL has been reformulated I am willing to give it a chance but as far as I know the formula is the same stuff and not that cutting edge by any means. I am always looking for the next best product to use to make sure my customers get the best in effect and value.
Terry
New gasoline SoyShield by Schaeffers would be a follow up add if FP cannot be procured. Techron is still a good bet too.
Chimay is one (UCL) application in hundreds of oil analysis reports that showed good results using other fuel adds. I would like to see his Toyota V8 in test with our Premium Service and get a read on his oxidation and nitration levels to gauge the effect of UCL or the reformulated fuels in use.
It was mentioned earlier at BITOG that the Top Tier fuels may be eliminating the need for fuel adds. As I promised I would comment on that effect....Well there may be something to that as I am seeing cleaner burns than last year to date. Need more time to verify the effect and what is contributing to it.
If UCL has been reformulated I am willing to give it a chance but as far as I know the formula is the same stuff and not that cutting edge by any means. I am always looking for the next best product to use to make sure my customers get the best in effect and value.
Terry
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