Four People Die Trapped in Burning Tesla

Totally agree, but then the next question is, "what language to use"?
Chinese, English, Arabic, Hebrew or Swahili!?

Best would be to have a touchscreen with options to choose the language for the passenger seated in each specific position.
That way they can ensure all passengers are having their individual needs addressed accordingly, in the event of an emergency.
Or maybe people can just read the flipping manual. It's built into the screen!
 
I have more Tesla years than most on this forum. These cars are different. There is a learning curve. If you don't like different, you are likely to not like a Tesla, at least for some time. Many people pull the manual lever instead of the electric door button.

Funny thing... I took our GS out for a warsh yesterday morning; I pressed the left side of the steering wheel for a left turn. Dang blinkers would not work! After a few tries I figured out I was supposed to use the "blinker stalk". Sheesh. What a dumb way to work your blinkers! I will post a picture for those not familiar with Lexus' strange design, for your safety!
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I have more Tesla years than most on this forum. These cars are different. There is a learning curve. If you don't like different, you are likely to not like a Tesla, at least for some time. Many people pull the manual lever instead of the electric door button.

Funny thing... I took our GS out for a warsh yesterday morning; I pressed the left side of the steering wheel for a left turn. Dang blinkers would not work! After a few tries I figured out I was supposed to use the "blinker stalk". Sheesh. What a dumb way to work your blinkers! I will post a picture for those not familiar with Lexus' strange design, for your safety!
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WE don't like no stinkin buttons on this forum! Bring back manual crank windows!!
 
My opinion. There should NOT be electric door latches. The mechanical door latch should always over ride the door lock mechanism. It's just stupid to me.
I agree.
IMO an even bigger problem with these is when people (or emergency workers) can't get the driver/passengers out of a vehicle after a collision because they can't get the doors open. For this specific reason I personally turn the auto locking OFF and unlock all of the doors whenever I am driving. The driver/passengers may not be lucid or conscious after a collision to let themselves out.
Additionally, IMO ordering/purchasing a vehicle with laminated side glass is a stupid decision. Have you ever seen how difficult it is to get people out through the windshield after a collision?
 
I agree.
IMO an even bigger problem with these is when people (or emergency workers) can't get the driver/passengers out of a vehicle after a collision because they can't get the doors open. For this specific reason I personally turn the auto locking OFF and unlock all of the doors whenever I am driving. The driver/passengers may not be lucid or conscious after a collision to let themselves out.
Additionally, IMO ordering/purchasing a vehicle with laminated side glass is a stupid decision. Have you ever seen how difficult it is to get people out through the windshield after a collision?
A lot of people intentionally lock their doors for other safety reasons. I assume you've never had someone attempt to carjack you? I have. Luckily I had protection on me.
 
Totally agree, but then the next question is, "what language to use"?
Chinese, English, Arabic, Hebrew or Swahili!?

Best would be to have a touchscreen with options to choose the language for the passenger seated in each specific position.
That way they can ensure all passengers are having their individual needs addressed accordingly, in the event of an emergency.
There is an international symbol for an emergency exit/release. No need for a language, just a picture. I believe it's a person running through a door on a green background, green being being considered the color for safety.
 
A high speed crash can be a death sentence in any vehicle. If the structure of the cabin is deformed sufficiently opening doors can be difficult or impossible without proper rescue tools so even if the release mechanism is “working” the door won’t open. Fuel fires can start easily, take hold of a vehicle rapidly and be difficult to extinguish with immediately available methods so if the occupants can’t get out or be removed by others then unfortunately that can be the end for them.

I’ve read an incident report on one such event as it was happening and all I can say is that those who witnessed it would have been deeply traumatised by it.

I don’t have a dog in this race but painting it as a Tesla only problem is silly.
 
A high speed crash can be a death sentence in any vehicle. If the structure of the cabin is deformed sufficiently opening doors can be difficult or impossible without proper rescue tools so even if the release mechanism is “working” the door won’t open. Fuel fires can start easily, take hold of a vehicle rapidly and be difficult to extinguish with immediately available methods so if the occupants can’t get out or be removed by others then unfortunately that can be the end for them.

I’ve read an incident report on one such event as it was happening and all I can say is that those who witnessed it would have been deeply traumatised by it.

I don’t have a dog in this race but painting it as a Tesla only problem is silly.
Teslas are at the top of the ratings for occupant safety, but once the forces are high enough to also compromise the battery structure, all bets are off and fire risk goes goes up exponentially.
 
WE don't like no stinkin buttons on this forum! Bring back manual crank windows!!
If you've got longer arms and a smaller car, they ain't too bad! I was thinking of looking into switching the power windows from my parts car, onto the passenger side of my current car, but it turns out its not really a problem to reach across.
 
Tesla's problem is partly from open their door the window will also open slightly. I don't know the reason for this design (to simplify window design? to seal the car? to cut some corner?) but this will be a problem if it is not a mechanical solution. I guess they assume the window motor will outlast the battery and the rest of the car?

Such a feature is more than 30 years old, if not older. BMW first used it in 1990 on the 8-series, and every subsequent model with frameless windows, including millions of 3-series, have had the window tuck, to improve sealing.

And in practice, it doesn't require much additional force to open the door if the window fails to drop.

No there there.

If you don't know about Teslas that's exactly how you will open the door - and then get yelled at.

This. It's not unintuitive, even if one has to feel around in the dark to find it, because of the M3's feeble complement of interior lights.
 
I've been in Teslas driven by Uber drivers. Am I supposed to read the manual so I know how to exit in an emergency?

You could take some personal responsibility, and familiarize yourself with how to get in and out of any vehicle you ride in.
 
You could take some personal responsibility, and familiarize yourself with how to get in and out of any vehicle you ride in.

How can I do that when the controls aren't clearly marked? There is nothing on that emergency release that indicates what it does.
 
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