Ford will only sell Mustang, Focus Active in N.A.
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Originally Posted By: Greggy_D
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
As for the F series? 896k, up from 820k in 2016.
Low gas prices are driving that. Show me the sales numbers from when gas was $3 to $4 a gallon.
Gas is well over $3 a gallon here and close to $4 for premium. Trucks are still selling.
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
As for the F series? 896k, up from 820k in 2016.
Low gas prices are driving that. Show me the sales numbers from when gas was $3 to $4 a gallon.
Gas is well over $3 a gallon here and close to $4 for premium. Trucks are still selling.
Originally Posted By: Greggy_D
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
As for the F series? 896k, up from 820k in 2016.
Low gas prices are driving that. Show me the sales numbers from when gas was $3 to $4 a gallon.
An Equinox gets mid 30's, probably better gas mileage than a Focus or Fusion. Any advantage to driving a sedan is long gone.
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ub...i-r#Post4733233
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
As for the F series? 896k, up from 820k in 2016.
Low gas prices are driving that. Show me the sales numbers from when gas was $3 to $4 a gallon.
An Equinox gets mid 30's, probably better gas mileage than a Focus or Fusion. Any advantage to driving a sedan is long gone.
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ub...i-r#Post4733233
Bringing things down here..
Sadly, Ford is being quite short sided here. Simply put, you can't cut your way to prosperity. Wiping out a whole line is going to lose you both more money and customers. The C max was already gone. Keep your core: Fusion(family) and Focus (entry level) The other two Fiesta (too small) and Taurus( too close to the Fusion) could be the ones to go. Worst yet-now you are going to have to fire sale these (like GM's exiting brands) to get rid of them...
GM will go the smarter way (slight cuts),as will the others (Honda, Toyota, etc.)Most cuts are going to be either the sub Compacts and the large extra cars....no need to go off the deep end here.
Thinking Ford has more problems than they let on...but I hope and wish the best for Ford right now...
Sadly, Ford is being quite short sided here. Simply put, you can't cut your way to prosperity. Wiping out a whole line is going to lose you both more money and customers. The C max was already gone. Keep your core: Fusion(family) and Focus (entry level) The other two Fiesta (too small) and Taurus( too close to the Fusion) could be the ones to go. Worst yet-now you are going to have to fire sale these (like GM's exiting brands) to get rid of them...
GM will go the smarter way (slight cuts),as will the others (Honda, Toyota, etc.)Most cuts are going to be either the sub Compacts and the large extra cars....no need to go off the deep end here.
Thinking Ford has more problems than they let on...but I hope and wish the best for Ford right now...
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Bringing things down here..
Sadly, Ford is being quite short sided here. Simply put, you can't cut your way to prosperity. Wiping out a whole line is going to lose you both more money and customers. The C max was already gone. Keep your core: Fusion(family) and Focus (entry level) The other two Fiesta (too small) and Taurus( too close to the Fusion) could be the ones to go. Worst yet-now you are going to have to fire sale these (like GM's exiting brands) to get rid of them...
GM will go the smarter way (slight cuts),as will the others (Honda, Toyota, etc.)Most cuts are going to be either the sub Compacts and the large extra cars....no need to go off the deep end here.
Thinking Ford has more problems than they let on...but I hope and wish the best for Ford right now...
Good post. While the Japanese are noted for having 25 year plans, Ford seems to be the complete opposite.
On the Mustang, is keeping this model a heritage movement? I know that will irk the Mustang fans but reality is harsh sometimes.
Bringing things down here..
Sadly, Ford is being quite short sided here. Simply put, you can't cut your way to prosperity. Wiping out a whole line is going to lose you both more money and customers. The C max was already gone. Keep your core: Fusion(family) and Focus (entry level) The other two Fiesta (too small) and Taurus( too close to the Fusion) could be the ones to go. Worst yet-now you are going to have to fire sale these (like GM's exiting brands) to get rid of them...
GM will go the smarter way (slight cuts),as will the others (Honda, Toyota, etc.)Most cuts are going to be either the sub Compacts and the large extra cars....no need to go off the deep end here.
Thinking Ford has more problems than they let on...but I hope and wish the best for Ford right now...
Good post. While the Japanese are noted for having 25 year plans, Ford seems to be the complete opposite.
On the Mustang, is keeping this model a heritage movement? I know that will irk the Mustang fans but reality is harsh sometimes.
Originally Posted By: Greggy_D
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
As for the F series? 896k, up from 820k in 2016.
Low gas prices are driving that. Show me the sales numbers from when gas was $3 to $4 a gallon.
Just check the link. Here's the F-series sales:
Ford
F-series
2017 896.764
2016 820.799
2015 780.354
2014 753.851
2013 763.402
2012 645.316
2011 584.917
2010 528.349
2009 413.625
2008 515.513
2007 690.589
2006 796.039
2005 901.463
2004 939.511
2003 845.586
2002 813.701
2001 911.597
2000 876.716
1999 869.001
1998 836.629
1997 746.111
1996 780.838
1995 691.452
1994 646.039
1993 544.396
1992 472.475
1991 432.644
1990 495.977
1989 540.739
1988 564.471
1987 550.125
1986 544.969
1985 562.507
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Worst yet-now you are going to have to fire sale these (like GM's exiting brands) to get rid of them...
No fire sale yet. They're going to keep making the fusion for a little while, just no refresh. If you look at the sales for the Crown Vic, it was also the same, down to about 33k til the final year when they sold 46k. Some of them were probably stock piled for fleet sales.
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
As for the F series? 896k, up from 820k in 2016.
Low gas prices are driving that. Show me the sales numbers from when gas was $3 to $4 a gallon.
Just check the link. Here's the F-series sales:
Ford
F-series
2017 896.764
2016 820.799
2015 780.354
2014 753.851
2013 763.402
2012 645.316
2011 584.917
2010 528.349
2009 413.625
2008 515.513
2007 690.589
2006 796.039
2005 901.463
2004 939.511
2003 845.586
2002 813.701
2001 911.597
2000 876.716
1999 869.001
1998 836.629
1997 746.111
1996 780.838
1995 691.452
1994 646.039
1993 544.396
1992 472.475
1991 432.644
1990 495.977
1989 540.739
1988 564.471
1987 550.125
1986 544.969
1985 562.507
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Worst yet-now you are going to have to fire sale these (like GM's exiting brands) to get rid of them...
No fire sale yet. They're going to keep making the fusion for a little while, just no refresh. If you look at the sales for the Crown Vic, it was also the same, down to about 33k til the final year when they sold 46k. Some of them were probably stock piled for fleet sales.
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Just check the link. Here's the F-series sales:
Ford
F-series
2017 896.764
2016 820.799
2015 780.354
2014 753.851
2013 763.402
2012 645.316
2011 584.917
2010 528.349
2009 413.625
2008 515.513
2007 690.589
2006 796.039
Boom. Gas prices spike and Ford is done.
Just check the link. Here's the F-series sales:
Ford
F-series
2017 896.764
2016 820.799
2015 780.354
2014 753.851
2013 763.402
2012 645.316
2011 584.917
2010 528.349
2009 413.625
2008 515.513
2007 690.589
2006 796.039
Boom. Gas prices spike and Ford is done.
Originally Posted By: Greggy_D
Boom. Gas prices spike and Ford is done.
Doubt it. They’ll just start selling small cars again if the demand rises.
They’re not stopping manufacturing or developing cars, they’re just not selling them in North America.
Boom. Gas prices spike and Ford is done.
Doubt it. They’ll just start selling small cars again if the demand rises.
They’re not stopping manufacturing or developing cars, they’re just not selling them in North America.
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Worst yet-now you are going to have to fire sale these (like GM's exiting brands) to get rid of them...
No fire sale yet. They're going to keep making the fusion for a little while, just no refresh. If you look at the sales for the Crown Vic, it was also the same, down to about 33k til the final year when they sold 46k. Some of them were probably stock piled for fleet sales. [/quote]
I'm hoping you are right. But now people are going to expect deals. For the right price, I could even be talked into one myself! Have friends with them-solid cars...with no real issues to speak of ( maybe that recall) One could get quite the bang for buck.....
Worst yet-now you are going to have to fire sale these (like GM's exiting brands) to get rid of them...
No fire sale yet. They're going to keep making the fusion for a little while, just no refresh. If you look at the sales for the Crown Vic, it was also the same, down to about 33k til the final year when they sold 46k. Some of them were probably stock piled for fleet sales. [/quote]
I'm hoping you are right. But now people are going to expect deals. For the right price, I could even be talked into one myself! Have friends with them-solid cars...with no real issues to speak of ( maybe that recall) One could get quite the bang for buck.....
I think its a smart move for Ford. When people talk about Ford cars, usually its negative. Ford trucks its positive. The car market is so competitive and unfortunately Ford doesn't seem able to make a good car for the prices compared to everyone else.
Originally Posted By: Warstud
Ford was the only one that didn't need a bailout.
That's true, but they may be borrowing with the Blue Oval as collateral again. Unless one is Ferrari or something similar, all the eggs in one basket is problematic, to say the least.
Ford was the only one that didn't need a bailout.
That's true, but they may be borrowing with the Blue Oval as collateral again. Unless one is Ferrari or something similar, all the eggs in one basket is problematic, to say the least.
Originally Posted By: Greggy_D
Originally Posted By: E365
So they’re killing a whole bunch of profitable products for no reason?
I believe they are looking to eliminate an immense amount of costly and expensive labor positions.
How so? Fiesta and Fusion are already made cheaply in Mexico. The Focus and C-Max are made at the Michigan assembly plant which will soon be retooling to make the Ranger and Bronco and “no jobs would be lost” at Michigan Assembly, according to both Ford and the UAW.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/classified/automotive/ct-ford-bronco-ranger-return-20161004-story.html
http://www.autonews.com/article/20180302...-assembly-plant
The Taurus is made at the Chicago Assembly plant and it will be replaced with the new Lincoln Aviator and New Explorer. Also with no jobs lost.
"It will be replaced by the Lincoln Aviator," she said. "We will also be building an all-new Explorer at Chicago Assembly. We expect demand for these new vehicles to support the same number of employees as we have today."
http://www.nwitimes.com/business/local/c...ba30bb0a2c.html
Originally Posted By: E365
So they’re killing a whole bunch of profitable products for no reason?
I believe they are looking to eliminate an immense amount of costly and expensive labor positions.
How so? Fiesta and Fusion are already made cheaply in Mexico. The Focus and C-Max are made at the Michigan assembly plant which will soon be retooling to make the Ranger and Bronco and “no jobs would be lost” at Michigan Assembly, according to both Ford and the UAW.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/classified/automotive/ct-ford-bronco-ranger-return-20161004-story.html
http://www.autonews.com/article/20180302...-assembly-plant
The Taurus is made at the Chicago Assembly plant and it will be replaced with the new Lincoln Aviator and New Explorer. Also with no jobs lost.
"It will be replaced by the Lincoln Aviator," she said. "We will also be building an all-new Explorer at Chicago Assembly. We expect demand for these new vehicles to support the same number of employees as we have today."
http://www.nwitimes.com/business/local/c...ba30bb0a2c.html
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Originally Posted By: FordBroncoVWJeta
I think its a smart move for Ford. When people talk about Ford cars, usually its negative. Ford trucks its positive. The car market is so competitive and unfortunately Ford doesn't seem able to make a good car for the prices compared to everyone else.
I am with you on those thoughts. I actually think its brilliant. The long standing theory that a major manufacturer needs to have a full array of products to compete has led to the downfall of many a famous brand in recent times. Ford does not want to be one of those failed organizations.
I think its a smart move for Ford. When people talk about Ford cars, usually its negative. Ford trucks its positive. The car market is so competitive and unfortunately Ford doesn't seem able to make a good car for the prices compared to everyone else.
I am with you on those thoughts. I actually think its brilliant. The long standing theory that a major manufacturer needs to have a full array of products to compete has led to the downfall of many a famous brand in recent times. Ford does not want to be one of those failed organizations.
Originally Posted By: PimTac
On the Mustang, is keeping this model a heritage movement? I know that will irk the Mustang fans but reality is harsh sometimes.
Could be or it's cheap to produce. The drivetrain is shared with the F150 and it's somehat of a halo car. There are rumors of a Lincoln version so the costs could be shared there as well.
On the Mustang, is keeping this model a heritage movement? I know that will irk the Mustang fans but reality is harsh sometimes.
Could be or it's cheap to produce. The drivetrain is shared with the F150 and it's somehat of a halo car. There are rumors of a Lincoln version so the costs could be shared there as well.
I don't expect they'll ever get rid of the Mustang.
It and the F Series are Ford.
It and the F Series are Ford.
Makes sense to me--if they can't make money on it, and if they can't sell enough for CAFE credits (or whatever it takes to hit emissions & mpg targets), then it's time to move on.
Dumb thought: if the market ever swung back to sedans, could they just partner up with someone else and import?
Dumb thought: if the market ever swung back to sedans, could they just partner up with someone else and import?
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