Ford will only sell Mustang, Focus Active in N.A.
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Originally Posted By: Greggy_D
Originally Posted By: E365
The New York Times reports that Ford loses money on the Fiesta, Focus and Fusion. So why keep selling money losing products?
I do not believe that for a single second. The article quoted THREE ANONYMOUS people.
You could quote three people from my staff and they would not have the entire big picture.
So they’re killing a whole bunch of profitable products for no reason?
Originally Posted By: E365
The New York Times reports that Ford loses money on the Fiesta, Focus and Fusion. So why keep selling money losing products?
I do not believe that for a single second. The article quoted THREE ANONYMOUS people.
You could quote three people from my staff and they would not have the entire big picture.
So they’re killing a whole bunch of profitable products for no reason?
Truck and truck-based SUVs have only so far to run...
Gas is at $60/barrel if it goes to $90/barrel, Ford will go to Washington asking for money. Mark my word.
TSLA will bury the big 3 in my lifetime, nothing will fix these big 3 companies, they are done!!!
Gas is at $60/barrel if it goes to $90/barrel, Ford will go to Washington asking for money. Mark my word.
TSLA will bury the big 3 in my lifetime, nothing will fix these big 3 companies, they are done!!!
wait gas is at $75/barrel, well it will go to $100/barrel in another year or two, time to dump big 3 stock.
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Ford is missing something here. While crossovers and SUVs are in demand a lot of Toyota Camry’s get sold every year.
Ford tends to focus on whatever they are selling a lot of at the moment, and it does seem to work for them a lot of the time. The Ranger outsold the Camry in 1998 and didn't even offer rear doors or real rear seats, by 2012 it was discontinued. Now it's coming back, along with something that will be called a Bronco, and the sedans are gone. That's Ford.
They can switch back to sedans easily enough if they need to. They are still going to be building and selling cars, they are just all wagons now (AKA crossovers) except for the Mustang.
Ford is missing something here. While crossovers and SUVs are in demand a lot of Toyota Camry’s get sold every year.
Ford tends to focus on whatever they are selling a lot of at the moment, and it does seem to work for them a lot of the time. The Ranger outsold the Camry in 1998 and didn't even offer rear doors or real rear seats, by 2012 it was discontinued. Now it's coming back, along with something that will be called a Bronco, and the sedans are gone. That's Ford.
They can switch back to sedans easily enough if they need to. They are still going to be building and selling cars, they are just all wagons now (AKA crossovers) except for the Mustang.
Originally Posted By: MaximaGuy
Truck and truck-based SUVs have only so far to run...
Gas is at $60/barrel if it goes to $90/barrel, Ford will go to Washington asking for money. Mark my word.
TSLA will bury the big 3 in my lifetime, nothing will fix these big 3 companies, they are done!!!
TSLA is a shell company of Musk. It’s on the verge going going out itself.
Truck and truck-based SUVs have only so far to run...
Gas is at $60/barrel if it goes to $90/barrel, Ford will go to Washington asking for money. Mark my word.
TSLA will bury the big 3 in my lifetime, nothing will fix these big 3 companies, they are done!!!
TSLA is a shell company of Musk. It’s on the verge going going out itself.
Originally Posted By: eyeofthetiger
I'm glad I got my Fiesta when I did. Ford had to lose money on it because I got $4000 right off the MSRP. I'm sure it was sitting on the dealer's lot for a long, looong time. 99.99% of people do not want a quirky 1.0 3-cyl turbo with a stick shift, and even less of them want it in a slightly awkward-looking subcompact sedan. It makes me sad, but it's the market.
Same here with my ST (but I ordered mine).
I always said this will be the last vehicle I ever own, or at least buy new.
Ford just helped make that a reality on their part.
I'm glad I got my Fiesta when I did. Ford had to lose money on it because I got $4000 right off the MSRP. I'm sure it was sitting on the dealer's lot for a long, looong time. 99.99% of people do not want a quirky 1.0 3-cyl turbo with a stick shift, and even less of them want it in a slightly awkward-looking subcompact sedan. It makes me sad, but it's the market.
Same here with my ST (but I ordered mine).
I always said this will be the last vehicle I ever own, or at least buy new.
Ford just helped make that a reality on their part.
Originally Posted By: hatt
Even with $4 gas people are going to be happy with larger vehicles with mid 20s and up fuel economy. Jevons paradox at work.
It will probably take $10.00/gallon+ for regular to get most 'Murricans out of their land yachts.
Even with $4 gas people are going to be happy with larger vehicles with mid 20s and up fuel economy. Jevons paradox at work.
It will probably take $10.00/gallon+ for regular to get most 'Murricans out of their land yachts.
Originally Posted By: Imp4
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
The stability of the scenario in which it is removed from the ground is not.
Truer words have not been said.
There is always the political wildcard that can upset a semi-rational market.
...and that said 'wildcard' might just be draw 'furrly' soon!
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
The stability of the scenario in which it is removed from the ground is not.
Truer words have not been said.
There is always the political wildcard that can upset a semi-rational market.
...and that said 'wildcard' might just be draw 'furrly' soon!
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Ford is missing something here. While crossovers and SUVs are in demand a lot of Toyota Camry’s get sold every year.
Ford tends to focus on whatever they are selling a lot of at the moment, and it does seem to work for them a lot of the time. The Ranger outsold the Camry in 1998 and didn't even offer rear doors or real rear seats, by 2012 it was discontinued. Now it's coming back, along with something that will be called a Bronco, and the sedans are gone. That's Ford.
They can switch back to sedans easily enough if they need to. They are still going to be building and selling cars, they are just all wagons now (AKA crossovers) except for the Mustang.
Yes but the underlying thought is this; why the sudden knee jerk move now? Production could have been managed and models discontinued at a measured pace. This situation has been going on for years now. Obviously Ford management has been asleep at the wheel. Now with this news you will have massive layoffs and idle production lines. GovMo is next as Mary Barra has been selling interests overseas.
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Ford is missing something here. While crossovers and SUVs are in demand a lot of Toyota Camry’s get sold every year.
Ford tends to focus on whatever they are selling a lot of at the moment, and it does seem to work for them a lot of the time. The Ranger outsold the Camry in 1998 and didn't even offer rear doors or real rear seats, by 2012 it was discontinued. Now it's coming back, along with something that will be called a Bronco, and the sedans are gone. That's Ford.
They can switch back to sedans easily enough if they need to. They are still going to be building and selling cars, they are just all wagons now (AKA crossovers) except for the Mustang.
Yes but the underlying thought is this; why the sudden knee jerk move now? Production could have been managed and models discontinued at a measured pace. This situation has been going on for years now. Obviously Ford management has been asleep at the wheel. Now with this news you will have massive layoffs and idle production lines. GovMo is next as Mary Barra has been selling interests overseas.
I see suggestions Honda and Toyota have cars figured out. Accord sales are tanking right now, despite being a brand new and excellent car. The Fit is way down too.
Yaris is selling horribly, Prius is way down, Corolla is way down, 86 is way down and even the brand new Camry lost sales in March ‘18 vs ‘17. That shouldn’t be happening with a brand new model.
Some of these cars are next...
Yaris is selling horribly, Prius is way down, Corolla is way down, 86 is way down and even the brand new Camry lost sales in March ‘18 vs ‘17. That shouldn’t be happening with a brand new model.
Some of these cars are next...
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Originally Posted By: Greggy_D
Originally Posted By: E365
So they’re killing a whole bunch of profitable products for no reason?
I believe they are looking to eliminate an immense amount of costly and expensive labor positions.
The writing was on the wall. Just look at the sales for the last few years, they've been declining on all their cars.
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/ford/
Fiesta sold 46k in 2017. Fusion 209k in 2017, at it's height in 2014, 306k. C-max 18k. Focus 158k. Taurus 41k. Mustang 81k.
As for the F series? 896k, up from 820k in 2016.
Seems like the new Active is the replacement for the Focus. I'm somewhat surprised that they're keeping the Focus going when the Fusion outsells Focus. But I guess maybe it makes sense if that's in other markets and the Fusion isn't.
Originally Posted By: E365
So they’re killing a whole bunch of profitable products for no reason?
I believe they are looking to eliminate an immense amount of costly and expensive labor positions.
The writing was on the wall. Just look at the sales for the last few years, they've been declining on all their cars.
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/ford/
Fiesta sold 46k in 2017. Fusion 209k in 2017, at it's height in 2014, 306k. C-max 18k. Focus 158k. Taurus 41k. Mustang 81k.
As for the F series? 896k, up from 820k in 2016.
Seems like the new Active is the replacement for the Focus. I'm somewhat surprised that they're keeping the Focus going when the Fusion outsells Focus. But I guess maybe it makes sense if that's in other markets and the Fusion isn't.
Originally Posted By: E365
I see suggestions Honda has cars figured out. Accord sales are tanking right now, despite being a brand new and excellent car. The Fit is way down too.
Yes and Honda had already cut production of the Accord some time back. But it’s true, sedans are not selling regardless of make.
I see suggestions Honda has cars figured out. Accord sales are tanking right now, despite being a brand new and excellent car. The Fit is way down too.
Yes and Honda had already cut production of the Accord some time back. But it’s true, sedans are not selling regardless of make.
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
The writing was on the wall. Just look at the sales for the last few years, they've been declining on all their cars.
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/ford/
Fiesta sold 46k in 2017. Fusion 209k in 2017, at it's height in 2014, 306k. C-max 18k. Focus 158k. Taurus 41k. Mustang 81k.
As for the F series? 896k, up from 820k in 2016.
Seems like the new Active is the replacement for the Focus. I'm somewhat surprised that they're keeping the Focus going when the Fusion outsells Focus. But I guess maybe it makes sense if that's in other markets and the Fusion isn't.
I'm surprised to see the Fusion go too. The Focus Active appears to be a Crosstrek/Caliber type crossover.
The writing was on the wall. Just look at the sales for the last few years, they've been declining on all their cars.
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/ford/
Fiesta sold 46k in 2017. Fusion 209k in 2017, at it's height in 2014, 306k. C-max 18k. Focus 158k. Taurus 41k. Mustang 81k.
As for the F series? 896k, up from 820k in 2016.
Seems like the new Active is the replacement for the Focus. I'm somewhat surprised that they're keeping the Focus going when the Fusion outsells Focus. But I guess maybe it makes sense if that's in other markets and the Fusion isn't.
I'm surprised to see the Fusion go too. The Focus Active appears to be a Crosstrek/Caliber type crossover.
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Ford is missing something here. While crossovers and SUVs are in demand a lot of Toyota Camry’s get sold every year.
Ford tends to focus on whatever they are selling a lot of at the moment, and it does seem to work for them a lot of the time. The Ranger outsold the Camry in 1998 and didn't even offer rear doors or real rear seats, by 2012 it was discontinued. Now it's coming back, along with something that will be called a Bronco, and the sedans are gone. That's Ford.
They can switch back to sedans easily enough if they need to. They are still going to be building and selling cars, they are just all wagons now (AKA crossovers) except for the Mustang.
Yes but the underlying thought is this; why the sudden knee jerk move now? Production could have been managed and models discontinued at a measured pace. This situation has been going on for years now. Obviously Ford management has been asleep at the wheel. Now with this news you will have massive layoffs and idle production lines. GovMo is next as Mary Barra has been selling interests overseas.
No actual dates of when they will be discontinued was announced. Fusion will still be around for a couple more years, but no new models means they're just going to keep the old one around until it's too old.
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Ford is missing something here. While crossovers and SUVs are in demand a lot of Toyota Camry’s get sold every year.
Ford tends to focus on whatever they are selling a lot of at the moment, and it does seem to work for them a lot of the time. The Ranger outsold the Camry in 1998 and didn't even offer rear doors or real rear seats, by 2012 it was discontinued. Now it's coming back, along with something that will be called a Bronco, and the sedans are gone. That's Ford.
They can switch back to sedans easily enough if they need to. They are still going to be building and selling cars, they are just all wagons now (AKA crossovers) except for the Mustang.
Yes but the underlying thought is this; why the sudden knee jerk move now? Production could have been managed and models discontinued at a measured pace. This situation has been going on for years now. Obviously Ford management has been asleep at the wheel. Now with this news you will have massive layoffs and idle production lines. GovMo is next as Mary Barra has been selling interests overseas.
No actual dates of when they will be discontinued was announced. Fusion will still be around for a couple more years, but no new models means they're just going to keep the old one around until it's too old.
Hmm, and when I posted yesterday that I was peeved because of Ford's shady practices with killing features that were purchased, many were quite snobbish with me. But now, when Ford is simply removing your ability to buy their cars (and you've got no skin in the game), all of a sudden the mouthpieces are chattering.
Killing Sync was just the beginning...
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