Ford will only sell Mustang, Focus Active in N.A.
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I'm over sedans, there's no advantage any longer. CUVs have similar gas mileage, higher ride height, wagon utility. The only thing sedans have going for them is they're cheaper, and that's because everyone wants a crossover.
I could see myself in a big luxo-cruiser like an XTS though.
I could see myself in a big luxo-cruiser like an XTS though.
News on the side; GovMo finds itself in a pickle trying to figure out what to do with their lineup after the Ford news.
The news article is on the left hand side of the page below the graph.
https://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/investing/investment_help/investment_research/stock_research/stocks.html?path=%2fresearch%2fPublic%2fstocks%2fsummary%3fsymbol%3dF
The news article is on the left hand side of the page below the graph.
https://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/investing/investment_help/investment_research/stock_research/stocks.html?path=%2fresearch%2fPublic%2fstocks%2fsummary%3fsymbol%3dF
Originally Posted By: PeterPolyol
GM is basically Opel and the automaker formerly known as Daewoo right now
actually they sold off Opel To Groupe PSA(Puego/Citroen) a while back... and they are super close to closing the South Korean operations (Former Daewoo)....
GM is basically Opel and the automaker formerly known as Daewoo right now
actually they sold off Opel To Groupe PSA(Puego/Citroen) a while back... and they are super close to closing the South Korean operations (Former Daewoo)....
Originally Posted By: David2431
Camry sells, yes it does. What about Corollas and the Nissan and KIA offerings? LThat's a lot of sales to not be competing for.
I'm not liking this news but on the face, it makes a little sense.
It sells in a dying market:
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2018/03/wan...dence-exhibits/
Small cars you say? Here's 2017:
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2018/01/small-car-sales-in-america-december-2017-and-2017-year-end/
Nearly everyone was down in sales.
You're also assuming people will look at those small econoboxes and not cross shop the "roomier" Crossover that gets nearly the same MPG.
Time will tell - I'm not sold on the idea but it does have merit - pivot to what is hot and become a leader in that space.
Camry sells, yes it does. What about Corollas and the Nissan and KIA offerings? LThat's a lot of sales to not be competing for.
I'm not liking this news but on the face, it makes a little sense.
It sells in a dying market:
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2018/03/wan...dence-exhibits/
Small cars you say? Here's 2017:
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2018/01/small-car-sales-in-america-december-2017-and-2017-year-end/
Nearly everyone was down in sales.
You're also assuming people will look at those small econoboxes and not cross shop the "roomier" Crossover that gets nearly the same MPG.
Time will tell - I'm not sold on the idea but it does have merit - pivot to what is hot and become a leader in that space.
Originally Posted By: itguy08
Originally Posted By: MrHorspwer
GM still sells the Spark, Sonic, Cruze, and Malibu in the States. They didn't need to dump all their car lines to get back to double digit margins.
Hasn't GM hinted that all those + the Impala may be going too?
yes they have. the Volt too..
Originally Posted By: Vern_in_IL
I agree with Ford.
When I think of a Ford car, I think of a [censored] Escort from years past....
There is nothing special about a "Ford" car, Lincoln has the cars I want, so buy a Lincoln, and save that Ford badge for the Trucks and towing vehicles.
that's the part of the story you're Missing..all the Lincoln Models are based on shared Ford Designs.
When the Ford Sedans/etc go away, so do their Lincoln counterparts.
MKZ=Fusion, MKX=Edge, MKT=Flex/Explorer, MKC=Escape, MKS=(6th gen)Taurus, Navigator=Expedition, Continental=7thGen Taurus(Currently on sale in China, basically a Fusion with a 3" Stretch)
also the crossovers in that list are built on car derived platforms-
MKX/Edge are on the cd3/cd4 platform of the MKZ/Fusion/Mondeo/Continental
MKT/Flex/Explorer on the D4 variant of the D3 Platform of the Taurus(itself based on the Volvo P2 Architecture)
MKC/Escape on the C1 Platform of the Focus/C-max/Transit Connect/Volvo V40
and they had already been discussing axing the Continental because of slow sales.
They haven't made/developed a standalone Lincoln design in a long time...
Originally Posted By: hemitruck
Meh, they may be dropping sedans, but my bet would be they will come come out with Subaru type SUV.
That's what most People think the "Focus Active" they mentioned is..
then other part of this is, this "consolidation" is for the North American Models only. most have counterparts built outside North America that could certainly be imported should the Need arise to "reintroduce" them...
Originally Posted By: MrHorspwer
GM still sells the Spark, Sonic, Cruze, and Malibu in the States. They didn't need to dump all their car lines to get back to double digit margins.
Hasn't GM hinted that all those + the Impala may be going too?
yes they have. the Volt too..
Originally Posted By: Vern_in_IL
I agree with Ford.
When I think of a Ford car, I think of a [censored] Escort from years past....
There is nothing special about a "Ford" car, Lincoln has the cars I want, so buy a Lincoln, and save that Ford badge for the Trucks and towing vehicles.
that's the part of the story you're Missing..all the Lincoln Models are based on shared Ford Designs.
When the Ford Sedans/etc go away, so do their Lincoln counterparts.
MKZ=Fusion, MKX=Edge, MKT=Flex/Explorer, MKC=Escape, MKS=(6th gen)Taurus, Navigator=Expedition, Continental=7thGen Taurus(Currently on sale in China, basically a Fusion with a 3" Stretch)
also the crossovers in that list are built on car derived platforms-
MKX/Edge are on the cd3/cd4 platform of the MKZ/Fusion/Mondeo/Continental
MKT/Flex/Explorer on the D4 variant of the D3 Platform of the Taurus(itself based on the Volvo P2 Architecture)
MKC/Escape on the C1 Platform of the Focus/C-max/Transit Connect/Volvo V40
and they had already been discussing axing the Continental because of slow sales.
They haven't made/developed a standalone Lincoln design in a long time...
Originally Posted By: hemitruck
Meh, they may be dropping sedans, but my bet would be they will come come out with Subaru type SUV.
That's what most People think the "Focus Active" they mentioned is..
then other part of this is, this "consolidation" is for the North American Models only. most have counterparts built outside North America that could certainly be imported should the Need arise to "reintroduce" them...
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This seems like a really foolish decision. It makes me inclined to sell my Ford company stock.
Originally Posted By: TheLawnRanger
Quality is job none.
It is a sad announcement, I'd take a fusion over any car (or truck) in your signature (cavalier, impala, Colorado?)
Quality is job none.
It is a sad announcement, I'd take a fusion over any car (or truck) in your signature (cavalier, impala, Colorado?)
Originally Posted By: Jimzz
And what will they do when gas prices go up again?
Jesus, I thought Ford was on track a few years back but this is just a mess. I seriously thought it was a Onion headline when I read it.
Amen, sir. You are tuned in.
And what will they do when gas prices go up again?
Jesus, I thought Ford was on track a few years back but this is just a mess. I seriously thought it was a Onion headline when I read it.
Amen, sir. You are tuned in.
Probably the smart move. The New York Times reports that Ford loses money on the Fiesta, Focus and Fusion. So why keep selling money losing products?
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/24/business/ford-hackett.html
There’s also numerous additional trucks and SUVs coming to add to profit margins. Ranger, Bronco, etc.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/24/business/ford-hackett.html
There’s also numerous additional trucks and SUVs coming to add to profit margins. Ranger, Bronco, etc.
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I'd think they would keep a small car.
Larger cars intrinsically share platforms with car-based SUVs. Perhaps mustang chassis and drivetrain could be lengthened to make a rwd, v8 Lincoln.
But a small, economical vehicle like the focus, is still a niche that should be kept.
I get it that Ford won't be likely to have a best of class or even top 3 given what Honda, Toyota and GM are making for mid and larger sedans. But small cars from all of them are hit and miss, and all have their lousy points.
Larger cars intrinsically share platforms with car-based SUVs. Perhaps mustang chassis and drivetrain could be lengthened to make a rwd, v8 Lincoln.
But a small, economical vehicle like the focus, is still a niche that should be kept.
I get it that Ford won't be likely to have a best of class or even top 3 given what Honda, Toyota and GM are making for mid and larger sedans. But small cars from all of them are hit and miss, and all have their lousy points.
Originally Posted By: E365
The New York Times reports that Ford loses money on the Fiesta, Focus and Fusion. So why keep selling money losing products?
I do not believe that for a single second. The article quoted THREE ANONYMOUS people.
You could quote three people from my staff and they would not have the entire big picture.
The New York Times reports that Ford loses money on the Fiesta, Focus and Fusion. So why keep selling money losing products?
I do not believe that for a single second. The article quoted THREE ANONYMOUS people.
You could quote three people from my staff and they would not have the entire big picture.
http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/25/autos/ford-cars-north-america/index.html
This is why the American cars are disappearing - these guys don't know how to compete. Losers of the first order.
This is why the American cars are disappearing - these guys don't know how to compete. Losers of the first order.
Originally Posted By: Greggy_D
Originally Posted By: E365
The New York Times reports that Ford loses money on the Fiesta, Focus and Fusion. So why keep selling money losing products?
I do not believe that for a single second. The article quoted THREE ANONYMOUS people.
You could quote three people from my staff and they would not have the entire big picture.
I would take anything from the NYT with a 50 pound bag of salt.
Originally Posted By: E365
The New York Times reports that Ford loses money on the Fiesta, Focus and Fusion. So why keep selling money losing products?
I do not believe that for a single second. The article quoted THREE ANONYMOUS people.
You could quote three people from my staff and they would not have the entire big picture.
I would take anything from the NYT with a 50 pound bag of salt.
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