Ford FL-820S Filter Alternatives

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I see you put a lot of effort into that but will disagree with some of your opinion that are just based on assumptions rather than fact. Your group 4 of "not recommended" includes many fine filters that you seem to discount in your detailed summaries due to just having a nitrile ADBV. IMHO, with exception of the Frams, I would move everything else in group 4 into group 3 or higher.

In summary, I think your little "investigation" show blatantly unfounded bias's not based in documented fact. I will give you credit on the professional layout that lends somewhat a air of credibility that foll the more uninformed.

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I believe I made it clear that I was presenting my opinions. Maybe I should add a stronger disclaimer. Without actual test equipment, appearance and my opinons of the appearance is about all I have to go on.

As for the nitrile anti-drain back valve. I will not use a filter with a nitrile ADBV on a Ford modular engine. I made that mistake once. Not again. Ford speciifes a silicone ADBV for the FL-820S for a good reason.

Based on what I saw, I would not consider usig the STP, Super Tech, or Delco Filters on my vehicles. The media looked OK, but the filter construction was not acceptable to me. I particualrly didn't like the combination ADBV /relief valve located at the base end of the filter. This combination might work fine, but I'd like to see some supporting information before I pick one of three over the FL-820S, particularly when there wasn't a large cost advantage (the Delco version cost more than the FL-820S, the STP about the same, and the Super Tech about $1 less).

I would be interested in your opinions of these fitlers and why you feel the three cheaper Champion Lab Filters are worthy of consideration.
 
Excellent presentation. I don't have opinions on the FL820S ..since I have nothing that uses it. MC filters appear to do very well in PC testing. I'd still move M1 up with PureOne ..the only reason I wouldn't use it is due to cost. K&N is fine ..but, again, is too expensive. I have no issues with the other filters other then the cardboard Frams ..any better grade Fram is too expensive ...but then again ..I don't have a modular motor :shrug:


I really don't think you can do better then the OEM spec'd filter from the OEM's aftermarket OEM supplier. Although this filter can fit some other applications (not quite to the same spec) ..I believe that this filter is designed for no other engine then the modular.
 
Thanks for sharing all your hard work. I am presently planning my own personal filter study for a different application. Will I share my opinion? Not a chance, but I may share the pictures and let others form their own opinion based on them.

As for my FL-820S application I also use the Motorcraft. I wouldn't mind trying something else...but I already have the filter socket for the 820's multi-fangled canister.

Thanks again; best regards.
 
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Gosh ..if I let the prospect of getting spanked (on occasion) stop me ..I'd never post.
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ED_WHITE i agree but the new fl820s have much larger holes on the flow tube then the old one shown...i would love to see that one taken apart...any idea on fast the flows are, and the psid/gpm? i like the donaldson filter which looks like the amzoil..the fl820s looks like it flows very well with a low psid restriction but thats just my opinion
 
Ed, thanks for sharing the pix & info with us. Nice work!
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I do question whether having a base-plate end vs a dome-end bypass valve makes any real difference in the long run- but that's what makes horse races.
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While I understand the theory behind the base-end bypass, in the real world it seems the dome end bypass is "good enough". (I suspect that's not because the dome-end bpv lets so little cooties through, as because the real-world base-end bpv lets more cooties through than we'd like to think.)

About nitrile vs silicone adbv: Mom's car is a 1994 Mercury Grand Marquis, 4.6 L V-8. I've had Motorcraft & other filters used on it, & can tell no difference on start-up noise, etc with most of them. For the past 6 months(just under 3000 miles right now) it's had Havoline 10w30 oil & a Havoline T-36 oil filter(Purolator Premium Plus clone) on it, no problems or startup noise. Will get the oil changed very soon, & use a MotorCraft FL820S filter- since I have one sitting on the shelf! But the Hav filter seems to have done so well that I'll get another while they're on sale for the following oil change.

At least with these filters, nitrile seems to be, once again, "good enough". Maybe using Lube Control in the oil helps to keep the nitrile valve supple?
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I was surprised that the Motorcraft filter had so much less surface area than some of the others. Still, it seems to work well. The FL820S is certainly an excellent choice for any of the engines that spec it, and all told, I've probably used more MC's than all the other brands combined on the Mercury.

Thanks again, & please don't let the critics prevent you from posting any more pix, studies, or conclusions.
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Excellent work, however I believe any of the oil filters shown is sufficient for the average consumer who still does 3,000 mile OCI's. If I were in a colder climate or doing longer than average intervals I'd be more inclined to use a "premium filter", that being said I have always used the FL-820S on my mustang because it is so cheap at walmart and appears to be built well. I have used Supertech oil filters on various cars in the past and consider them to be a good value, I think that the ST2 ecore would be fine despite it's differences in comparison to the FL-820S.
 
Stuart Hughes commented - "I do question whether having a base-plate end vs a dome-end bypass valve makes any real difference in the long run- but that's what makes horse races. While I understand the theory behind the base-end bypass, in the real world it seems the dome end bypass is "good enough". (I suspect that's not because the dome-end bpv lets so little cooties through, as because the real-world base-end bpv lets more cooties through than we'd like to think.)"

I also wonder about the importance of the base end relief valve location. To satisfy my curiosity, I just finished cutting open three filters from other applications (a Nissan V-6, Toyota I-4, and Ford/New Holland Turbo Diesel). All of these filters had a dome end relief valve. I am sure the base end releif valve used by the Motorcraft FL-820S costs considerably more than any of the dome end designs. Given that the FL-820S is a medium priced fiter, why would Ford go to all this trouble if it wasn't necessary?

As for the nitrile vs. silicone anti-drain back valve. I think a nitrile valve is fine when new and in moderate temperatures. The material is not as flexible when old and cold. My 5.4 Expedition complained loudly when I used an old FL-820 (no "S") filter during the winter. This never happened with an FL-820S filter.

Ed
 
I just added two more FL-820S alternate filters to my web site - a Pep Boy's ProLine PPL-24651 (http://home.earthlink.net/~cewhite3nc/id8.html )and a Hastings LF110 (aka Baldwin B329 and Casite CF-110 - http://home.earthlink.net/~cewhite3nc/id9.html). I also added three filters from other applications as a contrast (http://home.earthlink.net/~cewhite3nc/id10.html).

I am no longer actiively searching for more FL-820S Filters, but if I see something different, I'll probably add it to the web page. I'd still like to get an OEM filter removed from a Ford at the first oil change (I'll pay for the shipping).

Ed
http://home.mindspring.com/~ed_white/id7.html
http://home.mindspring.com/~cewhite3nc/id15.html
 
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I'm sitting on a couple FLEETGUARDS, I got for nothin'... I don't know about the "innerds", but the casing is top-notch, heavy-duty...
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And thanks Ed, for the great show!!!
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