Fluoride - WOW!

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Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
What a bunch of [censored]. My apologies to Dr. Nutjob and her legions of brainwashed, sandal-clad, vegan, paleo-eating, and hypochondriac followers. You can find some newage holistic, eastern, chipotle, [insert trendy catchphrase here] doctor to claim that any number of scientific advancements are horrible and cancer-causing.

To anybody who takes this kind of stuff seriously: get out and live your life. Stop worrying. Death comes to us all.


Easiest thing would just be to leave it out then wouldn't it ?
 
Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
Fluoride is a highly toxic substance, look it up sometime. Also, get the book called "The Fluoride Deception" All you people who think this all crazy talk, might think differently after you read this book. And yes, I do have a copy of it and I have read it.


My father is a chemist who spent almost 20 years in a laboratory testing water for and establishing standards to ensure accurate measurements of "safe" and "unsafe" levels of practically every chemical that can be found in water. My mother is a biologist. I have heard many thousands of hours of expert conversation on this topic. I don't need to read any quackery. Fluoride is safe in low levels. That's the facts.
If you believe it is safe in small levels, then I encourage you to injest a "small level" every day and see what happens. Second of all, if fluoride is beneficial for preventing tooth decay, why is it put in water which is injested? You don't eat or drink the fluoride the dentist gives you, now do you? Water fluoridation is forced medication without consent, which last time I checked, was illegal.
 
^^ agreed^^

Some may say that it is safe, I for one do not. It should be my right not to have it in my drinking water. It is amazing, I never really thought about toxic substances in everyday products and food until I had children. Now I take an interest in what they eat and put in their bodies. BPA was also considered safe a few years ago in small doses, now it is banned in baby bottles in Canada and evidence now points to it being a toxic substance.
 
Adjust your velostat hats a little tighter, guys. Y'all are reminding me of that documentary...

---documentary---
General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Lord, Jack.

You know when fluoridation first began?

I... no, no. I don't, Jack.

Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

Uh, Jack, Jack, listen, tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first... become... well, develop this theory?

Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.

Hmm.

Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.

Hmm.

I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.

No.

But I... I do deny them my essence.
---end of documentary---

"Yes gentlemen, they are on their way in, and no one can bring them back. For the sake of our country, and our way of life, I suggest you get the rest of SAC in after them. Otherwise, we will be totally destroyed by Red retaliation. My boys will give you the best kind of start, 1400 megatons worth, and you sure as [censored] won't stop them now. So let's get going, there's no other choice. God willing, we will prevail, in peace and freedom from fear, and in true health, through the purity and essence of our natural fluids. God bless you all"
 
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Certain parts of the country naturally have floride in the ground water which means it's in the drinking water of cities in those areas.
Other than fewer cavities, the people living in those areas aren't any less healthy than any other area.
 
Seems silly that what works as a topical guide is delivered in water for ingestion.

Makes it difficult to comply with formula recommendations when the major source of water has it in it.

http://www.cdc.gov/FLUORIDATION/safety/infant_formula.htm#1

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Background: Infant Formula and the Risk for Enamel Fluorosis

The proper amount of fluoride from infancy through old age helps prevent and control tooth decay. In a minority of children, fluoride exposure during the ages when teeth are forming (from birth through age 8) also can result in a range of changes within the outer surface of the tooth called enamel fluorosis. Recent evidence suggests that mixing powdered or liquid infant formula concentrate with fluoridated water on a regular basis may increase the chance of a child developing the faint white markings of very mild or mild enamel fluorosis. This occurs on baby and permanent teeth while they are forming under the gums. Once the teeth come into the mouth, they are no longer able to develop this condition. Typically, very mild or mild fluorosis is barely noticeable, if noticed at all. Studies have not shown that teeth are likely to develop more esthetically noticeable forms of fluorosis, even with regular mixing of formula with fluoridated water.

In children younger than 8 years of age, combined fluoride exposure from all sources—water, food, toothpaste, mouth rinse, or other products—contributes to enamel fluorosis. Currently one-third (33%) of children aged 12 to 15 years in the United States have very mild to mild forms of this condition. It is important to understand that some fluoride exposure to developing teeth also plays a long-term role in preventing tooth decay. Parents and health providers should weigh the balance between a child’s risk for very mild or mild enamel fluorosis and the benefit of fluoride for preventing tooth decay and the need for dental fillings.

The possibility of an association between fluoride in infant formula and the risk for enamel fluorosis has been studied for many years. Until now, most researchers concluded that fluoride intake during a child's first 10 to12 months had little impact on the development of this condition in permanent teeth. A recent study, however, has raised the possibility that fluoride exposure during the first year of life may play a more important role on fluorosis development than was previously understood. It now appears that the amount of the fluoride contained in the water used for mixing infant formula may influence a child’s risk for developing enamel fluorosis, particularly if the child’s sole source of nutrition is from reconstituted infant formula.

CDC will continue to assess the science regarding the use of fluoride in preventing tooth decay while limiting enamel fluorosis, and will modify its recommendations as warranted. CDC believes that community water fluoridation is safe and healthy and promotes its use for people of all ages.

* What is the best source of nutrition for infants?
* What type of water does CDC recommend for mixing infant formula?
* Why is there a focus on infant formula as a source of fluoride?
* What types of infant formula may increase the risk for enamel fluorosis?
* What is enamel fluorosis?
* Should all parents consider mixing formula with water from sources other than tap water?
* How can I find out what the concentration of fluoride is in my tap water?
* My city has community water fluoridation (adjusted fluoride in the public water supply). Is it safe to use this tap water for my baby?
* Is all bottled water low in fluoride?
* Can mixing formula with optimally fluoridated tap water cause moderate or severe fluorosis?
* Are children today at greater risk for developing fluorosis from infant formula mixed with fluoridated water than children in the past?
* Will using only low fluoride water to mix formula eliminate the risk for fluorosis?
* What can be done to reduce my child’s chance of developing fluorosis?

What is the best source of nutrition for infants?

Breastfeeding is ideal for infants. CDC is committed to increasing breastfeeding rates throughout the United States and to promoting optimal breastfeeding practices. Both babies and mothers gain many benefits from breastfeeding. Breast milk is easy to digest and contains antibodies that can protect infants from bacterial and viral infections. More can be learned about this subject at http://www.cdc.gov/breastfeeding/.
If breastfeeding is not possible, several types of formula are available for infant feeding. Parents and caregivers are encouraged to speak with their pediatrician about which type of infant formula is best suited for their child.

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What type of water does CDC recommend for mixing infant formula?

Parents should follow the advice of the formula manufacturer and their child’s doctor for the type of water appropriate for the formula they are using. Parents and caregivers of infants fed primarily with formula from concentrate who are concerned about the effect that mixing their infant’s formula with fluoridated water may have in developing enamel fluorosis can lessen this exposure by mixing formula with low fluoride water most or all of the time. This may be tap water, if the public water system is not fluoridated (check with your local water utility). If tap water is fluoridated or has substantial natural fluoride (0.7 mg/L or higher), a parent may consider using a low-fluoride alternative water source. Bottled water known to be low in fluoride is labeled as purified, deionized, demineralized, distilled, or prepared by reverse osmosis. Most grocery stores sell these types of low-fluoride water. Ready to feed (no-mix) infant formula typically has little fluoride and may be preferred for use at least some of the time.

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Why is there a focus on infant formula as a source of fluoride?

Infant formula manufacturers take steps to assure that infant formula contains low fluoride levels—the products themselves are not the issue. Although formula itself has low amounts of fluoride, when infant formula concentrate is mixed with fluoridated water and used as the primary source of nutrition, it may introduce fluoride at levels above the amount recommended to minimize the risk for fluorosis. Infants consume little other than breast milk or formula during the first four to six months of life, and continue to have a high intake of liquids during the entire first year. Therefore, proportional to body weight, fluoride intake from liquids is generally higher for younger or smaller children than for older children, adolescents, or adults. Mixing concentrate with fluoridated tap water on an occasional basis is unlikely to be of much risk. However, when used consistently as the primary source of nutrition over longer periods of the first year, a child may receive enough fluoride to increase his/her chances of developing very mild or mild fluorosis.
 
Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
Fluoride is a highly toxic substance, look it up sometime. Also, get the book called "The Fluoride Deception" All you people who think this all crazy talk, might think differently after you read this book. And yes, I do have a copy of it and I have read it.


My father is a chemist who spent almost 20 years in a laboratory testing water for and establishing standards to ensure accurate measurements of "safe" and "unsafe" levels of practically every chemical that can be found in water. My mother is a biologist. I have heard many thousands of hours of expert conversation on this topic. I don't need to read any quackery. Fluoride is safe in low levels. That's the facts.


AMEN.

I am glad were getting flouridated water, maybe my kids' teeth can have a fighting chance now. it is one of the greatest public health measures in human history.
 
Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
Fluoride is a highly toxic substance, look it up sometime. Also, get the book called "The Fluoride Deception" All you people who think this all crazy talk, might think differently after you read this book. And yes, I do have a copy of it and I have read it.


My father is a chemist who spent almost 20 years in a laboratory testing water for and establishing standards to ensure accurate measurements of "safe" and "unsafe" levels of practically every chemical that can be found in water. My mother is a biologist. I have heard many thousands of hours of expert conversation on this topic. I don't need to read any quackery. Fluoride is safe in low levels. That's the facts.
If you believe it is safe in small levels, then I encourage you to injest a "small level" every day and see what happens. Second of all, if fluoride is beneficial for preventing tooth decay, why is it put in water which is injested? You don't eat or drink the fluoride the dentist gives you, now do you? Water fluoridation is forced medication without consent, which last time I checked, was illegal.


ever heard of a thing called "concentration" or [c], it is much higher in toothpaste.

the safety buffer in the right dose is huge. you could not cause damage by drinking 200L a day. you'd puke yourself to death or die form osmotic imbalances from too much water before your dose is dangerous.

i think the typical normal level is 1mg for water supply.

so your kids would have to drink 4-10 typical water consumption a day (so say 10L). and even then you're only at the upper safe limit (2-4mg/L) of total dose from the same concentration. for perspective, some US states have NATURAL levels HIGHER THAN 4mg/L!!!

i live in the most braindead, science-dumb hippie community in the country, who don't vaccinate their kids, spread whooping cough, and diseases wiped out 50 years ago because hippies know best apparently. this flouride debate and the stupidities my shire bedfellows spew forth is just laughable.
 
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Originally Posted By: crinkles
ever heard of a thing called "concentration" or [c], it is much higher in toothpaste.


Ever heard of a thing called topical...that's how toothpaste with it's higher concentration of fluoride works, along with fluoride mouthwash and that horrid orange gell that the dentist uses works.

A cup full of rectinol swallowed isn't going to do much for your hemorrhoids, while a topical application may well be of some benefit.

Concentration is why they tell you not to swallow toothpaste, that children's toothpaste has lower levels of fluoride, and the American Dental Association recommend unfluoridated water in preparing baby formula.

And NATURAL levels of 4Mg/L being OK is the same as saying that it's a great idea to sleep on a natural slab of granite.

NATURAL tea can cause skeletal flourosis.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/498254
 
My coworker asks, "is it water, or a drug delivery system?"
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In town water seems, if nothing else, like a highly variable dosage delivery. They'd do better putting it in the little half pints of school milk; everyone gets one.
 
It seems like dental health is way better now than in the past. It would be interesting to see how the various variables have changed over the past 4 or 5 decades -- better preventative care, better technology, fluoridated water, etc.

When I was a kid, it was a given that "old people" would have dentures and it wasn't all that uncommon for adults to have a few missing teeth.

I should probably take better care of my teeth; I brush twice a day, floss sporadically, and get a dental cleaning when I think of it (about every 3 or 4 years) and haven't had a cavity in 15 or 20 years. Am I just lucky, have good genetics, or can I thank our water supply? Would I have rotten teeth if I grew up with well water?
 
Originally Posted By: kb01
It seems like dental health is way better now than in the past. It would be interesting to see how the various variables have changed over the past 4 or 5 decades -- better preventative care, better technology, fluoridated water, etc.

When I was a kid, it was a given that "old people" would have dentures and it wasn't all that uncommon for adults to have a few missing teeth.

I should probably take better care of my teeth; I brush twice a day, floss sporadically, and get a dental cleaning when I think of it (about every 3 or 4 years) and haven't had a cavity in 15 or 20 years. Am I just lucky, have good genetics, or can I thank our water supply? Would I have rotten teeth if I grew up with well water?


depending on where you live well water would have had flouride in it anyway.
 
Lots of Bottled water and the big jugs you can buy for dispensing machines contain 0% fluoride at least up here they do so you could do that.
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Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
What am I supposed to do? The water in many parts of Colorado Springs is naturally fluoridated. OH NO!
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Well what is the concentration? That determines if its bad or not. Lots of things come out of the ground naturally that aren't good for you... Radon for example, would you accept radioactive water just because somebody has a radioactive basement halfway across the country?

I grew up in the country with well water, and we had fluoride rinses at school. I have just recently got my first cavity at 34 and I'm only a brush twice a day, floss sometimes, person...
 
When we moved to the country my parents and I went halfs and spent $1,000 to have the water tested for everything imaginable to make sure the water was safe.

It came back as high in Iron, and non-toxic minerals, and coliforms (sp?) were high probably because they raise cows at a farm that backs onto the property.

Anyways... We installed the necessary equipment to deal with it, including an R.O. unit and all has been fine.

Skin and hair is much softer from drinking this type of water.
 
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