Flu Vaccine and CDC

[Al]

This is at least the 5th year in a row that there has been inadequate supplies of flu vaccine. Its easy to excuse the CDC for the latest failure bc of the failure of Chiron to deliver vaccine.

But this is yet another failure of this failed organization to keep their eye on the things that are important. Consider that the flu kill s more folks than any contagious disease in this country and yet the CDC can't devote the time of even one person to check up and see how things are going.

Its pretty much beyond crazy.

I just called my 2 Senators and Representative and urged them to look into replacing the CDC director Dr. Julie L. Gerberding. CDC

I normally get a shot but I'm not going to even try to get one bc the vacccine is needed for high risk patients and especially health care workers.

 

[eljefino]

This is crazy. I've been not getting them because I don't want to add to the hysteria. They made (IIRC) ~93 million doses two years ago and only sold ~92... and there was a so-called "shortage" going into the flu season. Then last year they scaled back production because they didn't want leftovers.

There are several good reasons to immunize willing healthy adults as well as the feeble, and no good reason not to. I can't see why Chiron manufacturing doesn't make the stuff in smaller traceable lots so when there's a bad batch the rest can be certified ok.

 

[Al]

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Originally posted by tweeker43:
i think last year was the first year that production of vaccine was scaled back, as millions of doses were thrown out each of the past several years. it is difficult to predict which variation will be predominant, and each year the needs change.

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"This is the ninth time since 2000 that the United States has experienced a shortage of an important vaccine, and the fourth year out of five there has been a flu-vaccine shortage."
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20041007-094741-4482r.htm

 

[Bobert]

To insert an analogy--We could just listen to the party line about motor oils that Pennzoil or Castrol (etc.) profess ad nauseum, or as an alternative we can listen to some of the knowledgeable board members such as Molekule or Terry to cut through some of the hype.

Just offering alternative info for those who are interested. You can listen to the CDC if you like, or you can choose to look for alternative info which might warrant caution.

As always--you make the call.

Here are just a sampling of the hundreds of articles about vaccines.
http://www.vaccinationnews.com/picks_of_the_week.htm

[ October 07, 2004, 01:53 PM: Message edited by: Bobert ]

 

[JohnnyO]

Quinn at www.warroom.com this morning was blaming it on the govt. taking over the program, point being that you can get all the Botox and breast implants

you want because the market sets the price and you pay yourself. Also he said that the mfg. is in Britain because of liablility issues (see trial lawyers) it isn't even made in the U.S. any more. Not sure how true all that is but I thought I'd lay it out there.

I quit getting flu shots because #1 I'd get sick from the shot, which I did not regard as an improvement, and #2 I'd always get some sort of flu that the vaccine didn't cover anyway.

 

[keith]

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Originally posted by Bobert:
http://www.rense.com/general45/tentimes.htm

"...Dr. Fudenberg stated that it is due to the mercury and aluminum buildup that is in EVERY flu shot (and in almost all childhood shots..."

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You can now request mercury free flu shots, but that won't help those already poisoned from earlier shots.

When the government says it's good for you, I hesitate and do extra research. Read about the risk, and potential benefits, and make your decision.

 

[tweeker43]

odd. i wonder if what i heard was in reference to all flu vaccines (with specific ones being discarded). for instance, last year i think there were 13 million units disposed of. this was on npr; the chief medical guy of nebraska (not his official title).

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Originally posted by Al:

quote:

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Originally posted by tweeker43:
i think last year was the first year that production of vaccine was scaled back, as millions of doses were thrown out each of the past several years. it is difficult to predict which variation will be predominant, and each year the needs change.

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"This is the ninth time since 2000 that the United States has experienced a shortage of an important vaccine, and the fourth year out of five there has been a flu-vaccine shortage."
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20041007-094741-4482r.htm

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[Steve S]

I don't get flu shots. Why? To much nasty stuff in innuclations sp? to do every year.

 

[Mystic]

I get a flu shot every year. I can't afford to miss work. And several years ago I really think the flu came close to killing me.

Every year it seems like some sort of problem comes up concerning the flu vaccines. I realize that we are dealing with complicated matters here-the flu virus is much more complex then a motor oil formulation.

But I think we have now come to a point where somebody somewhere has to be held accountable for the mistakes and problems that seem to come up every year. I think some people in high positions at the CDC need to be replaced. It is past time.

The vaccine that will be available is now so limited in supply that probably only young children, elderly adults, and some high risk people and people in health care professions will be able to get the vaccine. The rest of us face the threat of the flu with no vaccine available to protect us. What if the flu this year is as deadly as the 1918-1919 flu? It would be just our luck if the flu this year proves to be a deadly one.

I am turning to some alternatives such as Elderberry extract developed by a Israeli doctor and various immune system enhancers. I don't want to miss a week of work, or perhaps become deathly ill and wind up in the hospital. I am young enough so I can't qualify for the elderly flu injection but I am not a young person either. Unless my young doctor offers me a flu shot when I see her (yes, she is a woman doctor and a good one too) I probably will not be able to get a flu shot this year.

100 million doses of flu vaccine were being produced. Apparently this production was at two primary faclities. They had problems of some kind with the facility in England. This brings up a few questions.

Is it wise to have only two production facilities for flu vaccine production? Yes, it may mean greater efficiency but if something goes wrong at one or both facilities you lose half of the production. Would it not be better to have several smaller facilities? Losing 10% or 5% of the production would not hurt as much.

Also, only 100 million doses for the USA? Yeah, I know. Maybe only one in three Americans gets a flu shot every year. But there are 300 million people living in the USA. What happens if we get a 1918-1919 kind of flu season? Only one third of the population is protected?

 

[Bobert]

http://www.rense.com/general45/tentimes.htm

"ACCORDING TO HUGH FUDENBURG, MD - the world's leading immunogenetisit and 13th most quoted biologist of our time (nearly 850 papers in peer review journals) - If an individual has had 5 consecutive flu shots between 1970 - 1980 (the years of the study) his/her chance of developing Alzheimer's Disease is 10 times greater than if they had 1, two or no shots. When asked why Dr. Fudenberg stated that it is due to the mercury and aluminum buildup that is in EVERY flu shot (and in almost all childhood shots). The gradual mercury and aluminum buildup in the brain causes cognitive dysfunction. ALZHEIMERS is now expected to QUADRUPLE."

 

[Propflux01]

Oh.....Joy. Hmmmmm... forgot what else I was gonna say....

 

[tweeker43]

i think last year was the first year that production of vaccine was scaled back, as millions of doses were thrown out each of the past several years. it is difficult to predict which variation will be predominant, and each year the needs change.

 

[Al]

quote:

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Originally posted by Bobert:
http://www.rense.com/general45/tentimes.htm

"ACCORDING TO HUGH FUDENBURG, MD - the world's leading immunogenetisit and 13th most quoted biologist of our time (nearly 850 papers in peer review journals) - If an individual has had 5 consecutive flu shots between 1970 - 1980 (the years of the study) his/her chance of developing Alzheimer's Disease is 10 times greater than if they had 1, two or no shots. When asked why Dr. Fudenberg stated that it is due to the mercury and aluminum buildup that is in EVERY flu shot (and in almost all childhood shots). The gradual mercury and aluminum buildup in the brain causes cognitive dysfunction. ALZHEIMERS is now expected to QUADRUPLE."

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More bad science by trial lawyers and kooks-aka vaccine causing Autism, amalgam and breast implants causing untold maladies and OBGYN's causing Cerebral Paulsy.

According to common sense: vaccines of all types have saved the lives of 10's of millions in the U.S and have saved hundreds of millions from becomming ill..

 

[Shannow]

mystic,
WRT what happens if there's another deadly flu like the 1918 ?

Not much, because they only include the "probable" flu strains in the vaccine. Something that rare would never make the probabilities list of ranking a start.

That's why so many innoculated people still get the flu. They grabbed an HxNy that hadn't been included.

 

[Mystic]

That certainly is true. A major and dangerous new flu strain would probably take them by surprise anyway. Actually, the 1918-1919 flu was very strange and apparently orginated in the USA. They called it the Spanish Flu but the first known cases were in the USA. In much later years some people called in the Swine Flu for some unknown reason, but it may have started in horses at first, or perhaps in birds and then somehow passed on to horses. I can't remember but the very first cases may have been in Alabama.

Bottom line is the flu vaccine probably would not save us if there sudenly appeared a new and different flu strain. And the flu can be very dangerous-the unusual strain in 1918-1919 killed some 500,000 Americans (not to mention millions in the rest of the world). The flu spreads quickly and a very different new strain could be much more deadly then Smallpox. A biological weapon developed from the flu could be one of the most dangerous weapons ever developed.

 

[tweeker43]

i used to get flu shots when i lived in the dorm at college, but my last year (off-campus) i got vaccinated and became as sick as i'd ever been.

no more flu shots after that. about 5 years ago, we had people (vaccinated & not) being hospitalized for flu for up to 2 weeks. i was kind of crappy, but no where near that.

 

[basils]

Seems to me that most people really don't need a flu shot. Why not just let the elderly and individuals that are susceptable have the flu shots? As far as I'm concerned getting a flu once in a while is part of life, right? The vast majority of people out there are not going to die over it, and if you would then you already know who you are. Sometimes it really is silly to see all these perfectly healthy folks rushing out to inject this stuff into their body in the hope that they don't get sick. I've only had one flu shot in my life and that was nearly forced on me by my wife. The funny thing is is that was the year that I did get a flu!
I don't know but maybe people should stop freaking out about getting a little sick once in a while. Just leave the shots to the people that need them.

 

[fdunford]

I'd like to chime in on vaccines and say basically I'm against them for my family and me. We have never vaccinated our son and will only do so if he gets to an age where he hasn’t contracted some diseases which could be deadly as an adult.

The mercury based preservative called Tymerasol is argued by some to cause neurological damage. If you do get a vaccine for you or anyone in your family, demand a Tymerasol free vaccine.

 

[Mystic]

To a considerable extent I now try to use natural herbs and stuff to protect myself. I do have to use some prescription medication which is just something that happens to most of use as we get older.

A woman doctor in Israel developed an Elderberry extract to help prevent the flu. This product is sold all over the world and is used in many countries.

A product that has helped me a lot with Arthritis is Yucca-AR. It did not seem to do much for the first two weeks that I used it-and then a lot of the pain went away.