If they look like that, I would be sending a sample off for a used oil analysis. Badly distorted media isn't a problem, only a symptom. Better fix the real problem.
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Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
wow im cutting some open tomorrow if they look like that i will be changing and not use them
FWIW, my last one looked like this:
I would not hesitate to use another.
What I'm using currently:
This is a glass-media Fleetguard Stratapore.
wow im cutting some open tomorrow if they look like that i will be changing and not use them
FWIW, my last one looked like this:
I would not hesitate to use another.
What I'm using currently:
This is a glass-media Fleetguard Stratapore.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: 757guy
If you were running a Fram Xtended Guard filter, you would not have any pleat distortion or blowouts because of the stainless steel mesh backing the filter media.
That's one good reason to use a Fram Xtended Guard filter.
FRAM is far from the first, and not the only company to offer this.
Donaldson is the pioneer, with Fleetguard, AMSOIL and Royal Purple, as well as the TRD filters all offering this same feature.
You forgot ACDelco Ultraguard ... same construction 10 years ago. Now copied by Royal Purple and TRD.
Originally Posted By: 757guy
If you were running a Fram Xtended Guard filter, you would not have any pleat distortion or blowouts because of the stainless steel mesh backing the filter media.
That's one good reason to use a Fram Xtended Guard filter.
FRAM is far from the first, and not the only company to offer this.
Donaldson is the pioneer, with Fleetguard, AMSOIL and Royal Purple, as well as the TRD filters all offering this same feature.
You forgot ACDelco Ultraguard ... same construction 10 years ago. Now copied by Royal Purple and TRD.
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Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: 757guy
If you were running a Fram Xtended Guard filter, you would not have any pleat distortion or blowouts because of the stainless steel mesh backing the filter media.
That's one good reason to use a Fram Xtended Guard filter.
FRAM is far from the first, and not the only company to offer this.
Donaldson is the pioneer, with Fleetguard, AMSOIL and Royal Purple, as well as the TRD filters all offering this same feature.
You forgot ACDelco Ultraguard ... same construction 10 years ago. Now copied by Royal Purple and TRD.
Yes, also likely made by Donaldson. Or using the Donaldson-licensed media.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: 757guy
If you were running a Fram Xtended Guard filter, you would not have any pleat distortion or blowouts because of the stainless steel mesh backing the filter media.
That's one good reason to use a Fram Xtended Guard filter.
FRAM is far from the first, and not the only company to offer this.
Donaldson is the pioneer, with Fleetguard, AMSOIL and Royal Purple, as well as the TRD filters all offering this same feature.
You forgot ACDelco Ultraguard ... same construction 10 years ago. Now copied by Royal Purple and TRD.
Yes, also likely made by Donaldson. Or using the Donaldson-licensed media.
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Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
FWIW, my last one looked like this:
Looks like every member on this board has a serious coolant leak into the oil sump.
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Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
FWIW, my last one looked like this:
Looks like every member on this board has a serious coolant leak into the oil sump.
HAHHAHAHAHAHAAH
Originally Posted By: defektes
I love how I post a cut up of a perfectly find ecore and I get over 20 or 30 posts condemning the filter. Even though the construction was perfect and the filter did its job without any problems. A purolator gets posted and some say the spacing is fine and the filter held well. If this was a ecore you guys would have crucified me by now.
You have an agenda he doesn't
I love how I post a cut up of a perfectly find ecore and I get over 20 or 30 posts condemning the filter. Even though the construction was perfect and the filter did its job without any problems. A purolator gets posted and some say the spacing is fine and the filter held well. If this was a ecore you guys would have crucified me by now.
You have an agenda he doesn't
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
FWIW, my last one looked like this:
Looks like every member on this board has a serious coolant leak into the oil sump.
Don't have to be a engine leak.
Could be that the moisture in the engine is attracted to the paper element and is removed from the engine, in which case the filter is doing its job .
And that would not be a bad thing now would it ?
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
FWIW, my last one looked like this:
Looks like every member on this board has a serious coolant leak into the oil sump.
Don't have to be a engine leak.
Could be that the moisture in the engine is attracted to the paper element and is removed from the engine, in which case the filter is doing its job .
And that would not be a bad thing now would it ?
Originally Posted By: AuthorEditor
My plan is to run maybe a 3000 OCI and change it out and see how the next one looks.
My plan is to run maybe a 3000 OCI and change it out and see how the next one looks.
Originally Posted By: badnews
Don't have to be a engine leak.
Could be that the moisture in the engine is attracted to the paper element and is removed from the engine, in which case the filter is doing its job .
And that would not be a bad thing now would it ?
That's true that it doesn't have to be a coolant leak, but the get enough condensation in the oil to do some serious pleat bending would mean someone is hardly ever getting the oil hot enough to drive excess moisture out of the oil.
Every internal combustion engine produces water as a by-product of combustion, so every engine is subjecting the oil & filter to some level of moisture. Just because there are some wavy pleats doesn't mean there's a "coolant leak" going on. And besides, I would say some pleat weaving isn't even related to moisture in the oil.
Don't have to be a engine leak.
Could be that the moisture in the engine is attracted to the paper element and is removed from the engine, in which case the filter is doing its job .
And that would not be a bad thing now would it ?
That's true that it doesn't have to be a coolant leak, but the get enough condensation in the oil to do some serious pleat bending would mean someone is hardly ever getting the oil hot enough to drive excess moisture out of the oil.
Every internal combustion engine produces water as a by-product of combustion, so every engine is subjecting the oil & filter to some level of moisture. Just because there are some wavy pleats doesn't mean there's a "coolant leak" going on. And besides, I would say some pleat weaving isn't even related to moisture in the oil.
I have seen some wavy pleats on cut up unused filters. However, I strongly believe the occasional severe cases in filters with otherwise good records are due to excess moisture or coolant.
1 Filter Guy said it was in the one old thread I dug up recently.
2 I forget who posted that Baldwin video recently, but it says the same thing.
3 It only makes good sense. Water swells paper. Most engines have very little water or coolant in the oil and most filters don't have wavy media. A few engines do have problems and occasional filters have wavy pleats.
I really don't think the Purolator hype is helping anybody but Purolator. I would hate to see somebody putting off identifying a problem one more OCI. While glycol may be hard on filter media, it is murder on bearings.
1 Filter Guy said it was in the one old thread I dug up recently.
2 I forget who posted that Baldwin video recently, but it says the same thing.
3 It only makes good sense. Water swells paper. Most engines have very little water or coolant in the oil and most filters don't have wavy media. A few engines do have problems and occasional filters have wavy pleats.
I really don't think the Purolator hype is helping anybody but Purolator. I would hate to see somebody putting off identifying a problem one more OCI. While glycol may be hard on filter media, it is murder on bearings.
Originally Posted By: labman
I really don't think the Purolator hype is helping anybody but Purolator. I would hate to see somebody putting off identifying a problem one more OCI. While glycol may be hard on filter media, it is murder on bearings.
What does that have to do with moisture in the oil issues? I'm sure that Purolator filter media is just as susceptible to water in the oil as any other filter out there.
What's bad is if a filter like an ST with the open Ecore center cage design is subjected to excess moisture in the oil. As we have all seen many times on this board, there could be a lot higher risk of media blow-out with an Ecore when the media gets harmed by water and the media gets flattened against a big wide-open window in the center core. Just normal PSID in the filter might cause a blow-out under those circumstances.
I really don't think the Purolator hype is helping anybody but Purolator. I would hate to see somebody putting off identifying a problem one more OCI. While glycol may be hard on filter media, it is murder on bearings.
What does that have to do with moisture in the oil issues? I'm sure that Purolator filter media is just as susceptible to water in the oil as any other filter out there.
What's bad is if a filter like an ST with the open Ecore center cage design is subjected to excess moisture in the oil. As we have all seen many times on this board, there could be a lot higher risk of media blow-out with an Ecore when the media gets harmed by water and the media gets flattened against a big wide-open window in the center core. Just normal PSID in the filter might cause a blow-out under those circumstances.
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Some more distorted media:
This was an FL-1A sized Purolator PureONE from the Lincoln:
Brand-new Fleetguard:
FL-1A FRAM "Extended Guard" from my sister's Explorer:
This was an FL-1A sized Purolator PureONE from the Lincoln:
Brand-new Fleetguard:
FL-1A FRAM "Extended Guard" from my sister's Explorer:
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Brand-new Fleetguard:
my used Fleetguard,
Brand-new Fleetguard:
my used Fleetguard,
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Some more distorted media:
Brand-new Fleetguard:
Is that glue crud supposed to help keep the pleats straighter? ... or did someone get sloppy with the honey while cutting filters open during breakfast?
FRAM uses something similar on their air filters.
I'd say those pleat waves were normal use. You rarely see a filter with laser straight pleats after some use.
Some more distorted media:
Brand-new Fleetguard:
Is that glue crud supposed to help keep the pleats straighter? ... or did someone get sloppy with the honey while cutting filters open during breakfast?
I'd say those pleat waves were normal use. You rarely see a filter with laser straight pleats after some use.
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The K&N from my parent's Expy had straight pleats:
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Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Some more distorted media:
Brand-new Fleetguard:
Is that glue crud supposed to help keep the pleats straighter? ... or did someone get sloppy with the honey while cutting filters open during breakfast?
FRAM uses something similar on their air filters.
I'd say those pleat waves were normal use. You rarely see a filter with laser straight pleats after some use.
This is out of a huge Stratpore filter with built-in bypass:
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Some more distorted media:
Brand-new Fleetguard:
Is that glue crud supposed to help keep the pleats straighter? ... or did someone get sloppy with the honey while cutting filters open during breakfast?
I'd say those pleat waves were normal use. You rarely see a filter with laser straight pleats after some use.
This is out of a huge Stratpore filter with built-in bypass:
Originally Posted By: daman
what in the world happened?
what in the world happened?
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I imagine he just cut it open like I do with mine
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