Exactly what auto manual says to change the oil at those mileages? This sounds like some kind of a joke, right?
First oil change - good intentions or bad mistake
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Originally Posted By: kemo
My last car stated to change the oil twice before changing oil as per the OLM.
I don't recall whether it was at 500 and 1500, but it specified to do so.
What Year Make and Model was that though?
My last car stated to change the oil twice before changing oil as per the OLM.
I don't recall whether it was at 500 and 1500, but it specified to do so.
What Year Make and Model was that though?
Originally Posted By: kemo
06 Chevy.
That certainly narrows it down.
Care to be more specific?
BC.
06 Chevy.
That certainly narrows it down.
Care to be more specific?
BC.
Originally Posted By: 2oldtommy
Draining the FF at 729 miles is a waste of money IMO. But, to each his own. FWIW-Oldtommy
What if its not?
Draining the FF at 729 miles is a waste of money IMO. But, to each his own. FWIW-Oldtommy
What if its not?
At work I have been able to change the oil on many many new engines . Some oil drains out sparkly others no so sparkly. Will it matter? I can't say for sure but if you plan on keepine the car till it rusts apart or gets totalled out changine out the fluids earlt the first time can't hurt. there have been SAE studies on big truck differentials that on a new or rebuilt unit an easly change at 5,000 miles then going on the regular service interval will double the operatinh life of the unit. If the life matters since they usually do pretty good as is.
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Originally Posted By: 2oldtommy
Draining the FF at 729 miles is a waste of money IMO. But, to each his own. FWIW-Oldtommy
What if its not?
Taking such a risk to save $40 it is just uncalled for. We all know that there is no proof that which way is a better way but why take a gamble on a new engine!
The only engines that I do not care to do early oil change is with micro coated ones.
Most motorcycle manufacturers require/recommend early change around 600 miles.
Originally Posted By: 2oldtommy
Draining the FF at 729 miles is a waste of money IMO. But, to each his own. FWIW-Oldtommy
What if its not?
Taking such a risk to save $40 it is just uncalled for. We all know that there is no proof that which way is a better way but why take a gamble on a new engine!
The only engines that I do not care to do early oil change is with micro coated ones.
Most motorcycle manufacturers require/recommend early change around 600 miles.
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
How many metal shavings did you see when you drained the oil? I'm still on the fence with respect to early changes in the beginning of an engine's life (leaning toward them not being necessary.) However, my reasoning has more to do with microscopic wear particles than anything even visible.
The larger visible particles are hopefully caught in the oil filter. Only larger ferrous metal pieces sit in the oil pan and they represent damage rather than break in.
Filter can cutters are used to cut the filter can off near the mount base so you can see what is on the filter pleating.
There is no way an early change is going to hurt an engine, it is only going to help. And the break-in period is going to dictate the performance of the engine for the rest of it's service life.
Prior to all current engines using hydraulic roller cams and the current multi-step cylinder bore finish profiles, the break-in was more critical, but it is still critical for optimum performance.
I bought a 2011 Acadia and changed the oil to 5W30 PP at 1,050 miles and will perform the second change at 3,000 miles. This engine (formerly) had issues with the timing chains streching out of spec by 40K miles and throwing the MIL. My point is that some engines will certainly benefit more from early and frequent break-in oil changes than others.
How many metal shavings did you see when you drained the oil? I'm still on the fence with respect to early changes in the beginning of an engine's life (leaning toward them not being necessary.) However, my reasoning has more to do with microscopic wear particles than anything even visible.
The larger visible particles are hopefully caught in the oil filter. Only larger ferrous metal pieces sit in the oil pan and they represent damage rather than break in.
Filter can cutters are used to cut the filter can off near the mount base so you can see what is on the filter pleating.
There is no way an early change is going to hurt an engine, it is only going to help. And the break-in period is going to dictate the performance of the engine for the rest of it's service life.
Prior to all current engines using hydraulic roller cams and the current multi-step cylinder bore finish profiles, the break-in was more critical, but it is still critical for optimum performance.
I bought a 2011 Acadia and changed the oil to 5W30 PP at 1,050 miles and will perform the second change at 3,000 miles. This engine (formerly) had issues with the timing chains streching out of spec by 40K miles and throwing the MIL. My point is that some engines will certainly benefit more from early and frequent break-in oil changes than others.
Not many if any at all will. I'd bet any amount of money on any car manufactures engines that you could not,will not tell any difference in a real early FF change and one done by the book at 200,000 miles given same maintenance afterwards. Placebo affect doing it early is about it. Many,many fleets go strictly by the book and wear the rest of the vehicle out before engines. Ask any old sales rep that traveled several states week end week out.
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My friend drives a lot for work, like 40k miles a year. He bought a 2011 Camry in December of last year and has about 25k miles on it now.
Maybe its going to blow up because he kept the factory fill in for 10k miles, lol.
With 10k mile changes that motor will be spotless and run perfectly when he trades it in somewhere around 300k miles.
Maybe its going to blow up because he kept the factory fill in for 10k miles, lol.
With 10k mile changes that motor will be spotless and run perfectly when he trades it in somewhere around 300k miles.
The manual of my 2009 Honda Accord says:
"Do not change the oil until the scheduled maintenance time."
"Do not change the oil until the scheduled maintenance time."
IIRC, Honda is one of the very few that might actually apply to. I read something about Honda FF oil having a special additive pack...possible extra moly...that made this a good idea. I don't think any other manufacturer actually recommends this other than to say it isn't necessary to change it early.
Originally Posted By: RF Overlord
IIRC, Honda is one of the very few that might actually apply to. I read something about Honda FF oil having a special additive pack...possible extra moly...that made this a good idea. I don't think any other manufacturer actually recommends this other than to say it isn't necessary to change it early.
We got a comment from Acura one time that the oil was not break-in oil. Just the usual high moly Honda Oil plus all the extra moly from the liquid assembly lube they use. Still does not mean its a good idea to drop it early. Honda seems to think all that extra moly can assure a better ring seal if left longer.
IIRC, Honda is one of the very few that might actually apply to. I read something about Honda FF oil having a special additive pack...possible extra moly...that made this a good idea. I don't think any other manufacturer actually recommends this other than to say it isn't necessary to change it early.
We got a comment from Acura one time that the oil was not break-in oil. Just the usual high moly Honda Oil plus all the extra moly from the liquid assembly lube they use. Still does not mean its a good idea to drop it early. Honda seems to think all that extra moly can assure a better ring seal if left longer.
I have had a Chrysler rep say the same thing about 5 years back.
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