whats a good oil flter too use with auto rx? pureone? advnaced auto? premium plus? those are most of my favorites.
thansk all
thansk all
filter to use with auto rx/
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Because you're changing it so quickly, 1500 miles for the treatment, 2000 miles for the rinse phase, most people use a basic filter and oil. AA or Premium plus are fine.
Cheap oil, 'expensive' filter. Auto-RX removes more crap into the oil, why would you want a cheap filter that might not filter as well?
After seeing some of the picturess of rinse filters, I want the one that filters really good during that time.
After seeing some of the picturess of rinse filters, I want the one that filters really good during that time.
I'm with Virtuoso. Use the best filter you can find to trap the maximum amount of crap. The cost difference is what, $5 either way?
Ziggy, I've just begun an Auto-Rx treatment in my 97 Neon DOHC at 190,000 miles. I'm using an Advance Auto Parts house brand "TotalGrip" AA16 filter(mfg by Purolator), and Formula Shell 5w30 SL dino oil. Got 'em both on sale cheap just for this purpose. Honestly the filter brand doesn't make a lot of difference here, you'll be removing it in 1500 miles for clean phase, 2000 miles for rinse, just like Russ said. Whatever's available locally & reasonably cheap will be fine.
For your Neon, you might consider using a an oversize filter as I do, for example the AA16 instead of the much smaller AA3614. That'll give it *plenty* of room to hold any cooties that may show up!
(Factoid: when the 95 Neons came out, they all had the larger filter from the factory, it wasn't until the 96 model year that they switched to the little teacup size filter. Unless you drive on lots of dirt &/or gravel roads, I see no reason to stick with the smaller filter)
I seem to recall you're running Mobil 1 now, yes? That's fine, but if it was my car, for Auto-Rx I'd run dino oil for both clean and rinse cycles. AutoRx will clean with synthetic oil, *but* it takes longer. Might as well run the M1 your full interval, & then get some dino oil to go with that new filter.
SuperTech filters are cheap & should work fine too. I'd choose the ST16 in SuperTech.
For your Neon, you might consider using a an oversize filter as I do, for example the AA16 instead of the much smaller AA3614. That'll give it *plenty* of room to hold any cooties that may show up!
I seem to recall you're running Mobil 1 now, yes? That's fine, but if it was my car, for Auto-Rx I'd run dino oil for both clean and rinse cycles. AutoRx will clean with synthetic oil, *but* it takes longer. Might as well run the M1 your full interval, & then get some dino oil to go with that new filter.
SuperTech filters are cheap & should work fine too. I'd choose the ST16 in SuperTech.
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Yes, go cheap on both the oil and the filter.
I don't normally use low quality filters. My three mainstays are Mobil 1, Pure 1 and Wix. My "cheap" stash consists of Pep Boy's Purolator Premuim Plus than have been on sale for .99 and less. I stopped Fram years ago and never bought a SuperTech.
For my Auto R-X treatment, I used a pair of Total Grips (Purolator) from AA. That was before the PB sales. They worked fine for the short treatment. There was nothing in either oil drain or engine performance that suggested a problem with the filter. The engine ran much better after the treatment and used less oil.
I will use the better filters all day for the 5K, 7K or 10K OCI's but for a short duration treatment, it will never matter.
For my Auto R-X treatment, I used a pair of Total Grips (Purolator) from AA. That was before the PB sales. They worked fine for the short treatment. There was nothing in either oil drain or engine performance that suggested a problem with the filter. The engine ran much better after the treatment and used less oil.
I will use the better filters all day for the 5K, 7K or 10K OCI's but for a short duration treatment, it will never matter.
thanks for reply all; ) yes sturat your right! i am still using mobile 1 5w 30. bt i wanan switch back to dino, because i jsut simly cannot do the mileage; ( in 3 months, i am only putting like 7 or 800 miles, most of which is short trip, lots of stop and go traffic, you name it almost, except for beating on it. so makes me think, how i m gunna use the auto rx, i really wanna try it! i was thinking, if it removes all that stuff, youde wnat a REALLY good filter, like pure1~ more pleats, and synthetic media rateed at 8 to 10 microns.
am gunan get a UOA done in a few weeks, and see if terry can tell me condition of my oil, so then, when i switch back to dino, i an do better to get the mileage up to par, wit auto rx.
am gunan get a UOA done in a few weeks, and see if terry can tell me condition of my oil, so then, when i switch back to dino, i an do better to get the mileage up to par, wit auto rx.
Make that 3 votes for a good filter. I am running an AutoRX cycle on 3 cars right now. I am using cheapo Supertech dino since that is what Frank recommends (you want the lowest add pack possible so it doesn't compete with the cleaning esters in the ARX), and PureOne filters on all 3. I want to get as much crap out of the oil as quickly as possible during the cleanup and rinse phases. Then back to standard filters after it's done.
Also on the Neon oversized filter, I don't know if it will fit on the older Neon's, but I would use the Supertech ST3600 or Motorcraft FL400S, both available at Wally World. I use those because that is what is used on the Neon Turbo model. It is about 1 1/2 inches longer than the standard filter, but has the same diameter as the OEM version. The ST16 is bigger around, but about the same length, so it works also, but I like the diameter to be the same myself. The Motorcraft FL400S also features a silicon ADBV and is only about $3.25 at WW.
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Zactly. I've seen cars that plug the filter within a few miles. Hence they need multiple changes. Why pay for stuff you junk in 2 days or 3 weeks??
"I don't know if it will fit on the older Neon's, but I would use the Supertech ST3600 or Motorcraft FL400S, both available at Wally World. I use those because that is what is used on the Neon Turbo model. It is about 1 1/2 inches longer..."
And *that's* the problem- on a non-turbo Neon the filter *length* is critical, 1.5" extra length will hang out beneath the oil pan by approx a full inch+ with no protection at all- at least on the 1st gen Neons(95-99), & I believe on the 2nd gen as well. This is for the 2.0 L engine, both SOHC & DOHC, used in all other 95-05 Neons *except* the factory turbo *2.4 L* SRT-4 model. The 2.4 L is a different engine completely from the top of the block down & has a different filter mount! Repeat, the turbo Neons are a completely different animal under the hood. Long filter is fine with them, but can be real trouble with the 2.0 L's.
Read my post above about what Chrysler used on Neons for the first model year. For a larger capacity filter on Neons, you want the full diameter, short filter: Fram PH16, SuperTech ST16, Advance Auto AA16, Wix 51085, Purolator L14670, AC PF-13, etc. Using anything much longer is asking for trouble from a road puncture, IMO.
As far as *needing* a Pure One or other extra-fine filtration filter in the clean cycle- use it if you like, but because of the "white blood cell effect" of Auto-Rx, IMO it's overkill in a *big* way. For the rinse cycle, it makes more sense, but I seriously doubt your engine can tell the difference in cleaning effect even in rinse phase between, say, a Pure One & Premium Plus of the same model. (Unless it's from getting a bit more pressure drop across the Pure One.
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And *that's* the problem- on a non-turbo Neon the filter *length* is critical, 1.5" extra length will hang out beneath the oil pan by approx a full inch+ with no protection at all- at least on the 1st gen Neons(95-99), & I believe on the 2nd gen as well. This is for the 2.0 L engine, both SOHC & DOHC, used in all other 95-05 Neons *except* the factory turbo *2.4 L* SRT-4 model. The 2.4 L is a different engine completely from the top of the block down & has a different filter mount! Repeat, the turbo Neons are a completely different animal under the hood. Long filter is fine with them, but can be real trouble with the 2.0 L's.
Read my post above about what Chrysler used on Neons for the first model year. For a larger capacity filter on Neons, you want the full diameter, short filter: Fram PH16, SuperTech ST16, Advance Auto AA16, Wix 51085, Purolator L14670, AC PF-13, etc. Using anything much longer is asking for trouble from a road puncture, IMO.
As far as *needing* a Pure One or other extra-fine filtration filter in the clean cycle- use it if you like, but because of the "white blood cell effect" of Auto-Rx, IMO it's overkill in a *big* way. For the rinse cycle, it makes more sense, but I seriously doubt your engine can tell the difference in cleaning effect even in rinse phase between, say, a Pure One & Premium Plus of the same model. (Unless it's from getting a bit more pressure drop across the Pure One.
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This is what we use on my son's 1st Gen Neon. You're right. Anything longer is just asking for trouble. You're in bad enough shape trying to change the oil without ramps or a jack. Some of my drain pans don't fit under it. The PH16 size is perfectly shadowed by the pan.
I have an 04 Neon and the longer filter does not hang below the oil pan, so "road puncture" is not an issue. Even though the ST3600 and equivilents are for the 2.4, they are identical specs and diameter to the smaller filter, just longer. And the same filter works on my wife's 2.4L non turbo PT Cruiser as well. They may have changed the filter mount on the later engines, but it may be worth investing $2 in an ST3600 to find out. I don't disagree with your suggestion that the ST16 series will work, but I am not sure if the bypass specs are the same, and again because I have the option of using the Turbo filter, that's what I use. I feel more comfortable using an oversized filter that is actually used on this model of car, instead of something that is for a completely different vehicle. But of course, if the clearance was an issue, I would not use it either.
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jeepman. I believe that the filter mount is east west on that generation engine instead of vertical. The bigger filters fit just fine, albeit with very little to spare.
As far as bypass settings ...if you buy a Wix or Purolator (and probably most any other filter), they're mostly the same throughout the line up. Some exceptions apply.
As far as bypass settings ...if you buy a Wix or Purolator (and probably most any other filter), they're mostly the same throughout the line up. Some exceptions apply.
Actually it is a vertical mount, but I got to thinking after my post this morning, because I knew that the ST3600 I put on was not hanging below the pan. The ST3600 that I have on there right now is an E-Core design. I went to my filter stash and the E-Core is about 1/2 to 3/4 inch shorter than a comparable Purolator or Motorcraft. So in short, I stand corrected on the use of the Purolator or Motorcraft because they would hang below the pan. However, the Supertech ST3600 is about 1/8 inch above the bottom of the pan, so it does not have the overhang problem. I guess if one wants to use the 3600 series, it has to be E-Core so the sizing is correct, and the risk of road damage is removed. Also I looked up the bypass specs on the 16 series filter mentioned earlier, and the specs match with the OEM filter for a Neon, so it should work fine if you choose to go that way.
I used ST filters for my cleaning (ST16) and rinse (ST8) phase on my wife's Grand Caravan. I am still in the rinse phase and will cot them open when done. I am really not expecting much, I am mainly doing this as a preventative thing since I bought the van used.
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Hmmm...my buddy's wife's PT was on the lift not too long ago ..2.4 NA engine...lateral filter configuration. I'm unsure of the year ..but it's not too old
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