Ferrari F355 oil recommendations

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Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Castrol Edge 0W-40 or Castrol TWS 10W-60 if you're going to thrash the car/want something "exotic."


So are either of those a Ferrari approved oil?

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Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Castrol Edge 0W-40 or Castrol TWS 10W-60 if you're going to thrash the car/want something "exotic."

So are either of those a Ferrari approved oil?

What exactly is a "Ferrari approved oil?" Is there even such a thing?
 
Fiat specs have nothing to do with Ferrari.
These are completely different engines.
All EU oil selectors say 5w40 so go for it.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: chrisri
I think that spec perfectly mirrors Ferrari specification.

Do you have any links to confirm this?

I'm just curious as I have never seen any details about the Ferrari approval, which leads me to believe it is just a marketing approval, not a specification.

As far as I know there are no publicly available specifics about Ferrari spec. What made me think that FIAT's Z2 could be actually a Ferrari spec is that there aren't any engines in FIAT or AR range of cars that are specified with use of this specification. Only Ferrari and Maserati engines still use full SAPS formulas for their engines ( inside the group). And this is a fairly newish spec, why would they build a specification that isn't used nowadays?

It's just my opinion, nothing more.
 
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Castrol Edge 0W-40 or Castrol TWS 10W-60 if you're going to thrash the car/want something "exotic."

So are either of those a Ferrari approved oil?

What exactly is a "Ferrari approved oil?" Is there even such a thing?


That was my point, I was just rattling your cage.
 
FWIW - directly from the service manual:

Agip Sint 2000 SAE 10W-40
 
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FIAT 9.55535-Z2 is officially “Long drain” oils for spark ignition and Diesel engines with high features turbochargers. It is based on ACEA A3/B4 and allows only 0W-40 and 5W-40; it also has an 8.0% max Noack limit and 1.2% sulfated ash. The specification is actually biased towards diesel use, as there are some FIAT-specific diesel engine tests required, above-and-beyond the ACEA spec tests. I'm not seeing the Ferrari in this.
 
Originally Posted By: weasley
FIAT 9.55535-Z2 is officially “Long drain” oils for spark ignition and Diesel engines with high features turbochargers. It is based on ACEA A3/B4 and allows only 0W-40 and 5W-40; it also has an 8.0% max Noack limit and 1.2% sulfated ash. The specification is actually biased towards diesel use, as there are some FIAT-specific diesel engine tests required, above-and-beyond the ACEA spec tests. I'm not seeing the Ferrari in this.


I stand corrected. Great info as usual Weasley. Very low NOACK on this, it may be beneficial to some.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Right, but does an actual Ferrari spec exist, and if so, what are the requirements?


The original Ferrari F355 spec oil (Shell Helix) has 14 cSt of operating viscosity (a medium thick 40 weight) and an HTHS of 4.2 cP, and unless you are driving this car below zero, it really does not matter a lot what thee xxW- number happens to be.

If you are going to run the snot out of the engine (safely and legally) it is the HTHS number you should be choosing. You can also use the oil temperature gauge to tell you whether the oil you have chosen is acceptable. If you drive and the oil temperature never gets over 250ºF, then any xxW-40 oil will be acceptable. as you get to 275ºF you need that 4.2 HTHS. If you get over 275ºF, you need a xxW-50 oil with an HTHS number in the high 4s or low 5s.

It should be pointed out that the F355 engine has direct valve actuation (no rollers in the valve system. A new (or heavily rebuilt F355 engine) should have at least 1200 ppm of lithium (ZDDP) and if you intend racing the car, the oil you arrive on track with should have 1400 ppm.

M1 TDT USED to have 1100 ppm but apparently this has dropped out of the required amount; TDT used to have a HTHS number of 4.2 also.

I did a quick check and had a hard time finding any oils that have HTHA equal to or above 4.2 cP and a 40 weight operating viscosity. M1, Redline, AmsOil all failed. A long time ago (10 odd years) there were a couple of xxW-30 oils that had HTHS viscosity above 4.0 cP.
 
Originally Posted By: Mitch Alsup
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Right, but does an actual Ferrari spec exist, and if so, what are the requirements?


The original Ferrari F355 spec oil (Shell Helix) has 14 cSt of operating viscosity (a medium thick 40 weight) and an HTHS of 4.2 cP, and unless you are driving this car below zero, it really does not matter a lot what thee xxW- number happens to be.

If you are going to run the snot out of the engine (safely and legally) it is the HTHS number you should be choosing. You can also use the oil temperature gauge to tell you whether the oil you have chosen is acceptable. If you drive and the oil temperature never gets over 250ºF, then any xxW-40 oil will be acceptable. as you get to 275ºF you need that 4.2 HTHS. If you get over 275ºF, you need a xxW-50 oil with an HTHS number in the high 4s or low 5s.

It should be pointed out that the F355 engine has direct valve actuation (no rollers in the valve system. A new (or heavily rebuilt F355 engine) should have at least 1200 ppm of lithium (ZDDP) and if you intend racing the car, the oil you arrive on track with should have 1400 ppm.

M1 TDT USED to have 1100 ppm but apparently this has dropped out of the required amount; TDT used to have a HTHS number of 4.2 also.

I did a quick check and had a hard time finding any oils that have HTHA equal to or above 4.2 cP and a 40 weight operating viscosity. M1, Redline, AmsOil all failed. A long time ago (10 odd years) there were a couple of xxW-30 oils that had HTHS viscosity above 4.0 cP.



Shell Helix is NOT the original spec F355 engine oil. I've already posted what the original spec oil was.
 
Originally Posted By: KenO
FWIW - directly from the service manual:

Agip Sint 2000 SAE 10W-40


You know, M1 10W-40 HM that's SN and A3/B3, might be worth considering.

But I would also have no problem with M1 or Edge 0W40, or any other name brand full synthetic that was Porsche A40 rated.
 
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I don't think a HM oil in a fresh engine is a good idea. That'll ruin all of the brand new seals. Ask me how I know.
 
Originally Posted By: KenO
I don't think a HM oil in a fresh engine is a good idea. That'll ruin all of the brand new seals. Ask me how I know.

How do you know?
 
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Originally Posted By: KenO
I don't think a HM oil in a fresh engine is a good idea. That'll ruin all of the brand new seals. Ask me how I know.

How do you know?


I'd like to know too. If that's true it runs against every manufacturer's recommendation and my own personal experience.

It also means that all the Mobil 1 HM products which meet API SN are harmful to the engine seals. How can that be?
 
Reseal or rebuild an engine with 100% new gaskets % seals everywhere. Within ~20k miles or so, EVERYTHING will leak. HM oils have seal sweller agents, and specifically say on the bottle - 'for cars with 75k miles or higher' for that reason.
 
Originally Posted By: KenO
Reseal or rebuild an engine with 100% new gaskets % seals everywhere. Within ~20k miles or so, EVERYTHING will leak. HM oils have seal sweller agents, and specifically say on the bottle - 'for cars with 75k miles or higher' for that reason.

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HM oils don't work that way... But ok.
 
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