Fast-food strikes set for cities nationwide

[SteveSRT8]

There are two obviously different mentalities here.

One is the worker mentality. This means you work for someone else. That also means you then are subject to their rules etc.

The other is the Business Owner mentality. This means you have a stake in the biz, a piece of your [censored] is at risk. Smart workers figure this out early and treat ANY job like it was theirs. We hire folks all the time who exhibit traits of number one above, and they quickly get weeded out. No deadbeats here, we have a small pond. But my top producers are always selling our services, handing out freebies and cards and making noise at home about us, etc. You can't just line up at the teat and start sucking, you have to CONTRIBUTE! IMO if you don't create more than you take you are a net drain and should be fired.

At our favorite restaurant the waitresses make HUGE money, 4 figures a week for a place that is only open for breakfast and lunch! But they hustle and earn every penny, and others are clamoring for their position behind them!

Too many beaten down people here have given up. What a terrible waste of your life, not to mention a drain on society and the folks who CREATE jobs.

And last, anyone who judges others compensation is just buying in to the blatant class warfare being fed through our media. Quit worrying about what others make and start building YOUR OWN FUTURE!

 

[ram_man]

I would like to add I understand the owner side of it. But i also understand if you cut the fat and the dead weight and reward the good employees your company will ultimately be more successful. They could get rid of the lazy kids replace them with hard working people pay them all 9-10 an hour and everyone would be better off. And a manager should make 12 and up. The store manager here get his own personal SUV free gas and insurance and upkeep. And 65,000 a year. But in reality all the other managers do as much or more than him. Why should a shift only make 16,000 a year and a store manager get full benefits paid vacation and 65,000 a year. It's not how it should be .

 

[SteveSRT8]

May have a lot to do with responsibility.

My Dad was the youngest store manager in JCPenney history. Started as a stockboy in Sarasota, FL and simply worked harder than anybody else. Stores were closed on Sundays and my Dad was there busting his hump for us. He made 60k a year when that was like real money.

He also got a huge bonus for the store's performance. It could be really big or nothing depending how the store did.

So yes, he made more than a stock clerk, a lot more. But he had a ton of responsibility too, and he was there far more than any other person who worked there.

Try changing your thinking. Instead of being angered by the thought that others make more, try congratulating them on their achievement. Think how fortunate they are and how hard they may have worked for that windfall. Then work on yourself. You will never make money with envy.

There is opportunity out there. Go get some for yourself and your family...

 

[JHZR2]

Of course there is opportunity out there. But there also is, and always will be dead weight too. And for all the tough talk, it is only one sided "me me me" type discussion. Oh I'm sorry, you're the poor business owner who shouldn't be taxed or asked how much they earn or whatever else. Good for you. Just ignore the massive systematic problem that still exists, as if it isn't there. At the end of the day this isn't about the business, but rather a systematic problem of far too many people feeding from the trough.

The reality is that there are too many people pulling money off the entitlement systems because it is built into a business model for employment or because they can do better on less, or because they just are incompetent imbeciles. Regardless of the reason, these people still exist and are part of the population at large. Some segment of the population will always be producers and another segment will always be laggards who can't get out of their own way. The problem is that right now we have:

- a treacherous baby boomer population who was willing to allow massive deficits and raiding of pensions and ss trust funds for them to live some "good life" at their kids' expenses.
- enabling of three billion people competing for jobs but with a lifestyle and cost structure that is a fraction of that in the US.
- complete destruction of manufacturing in entire segments that would have otherwise been added opportunity.
- a growing population of uneducated, incapable people who really only fit the bottom level jobs.
- a large corporation structure that designs work hours and compensation to force employees' costs onto the taxpayer as part of the business model.

Some people will always do well, and some will always be laggards. People who take risks and grow business smartly and organically (not with taxpayers paying their employees Medicaid) should be rewarded and put on a pedestal as an example of how to succeed. But playing ostrich to the hundreds of millions of people here that are a public liability, including the unemployed, the welfare case, the retired population with huge unfunded liabilities, etc is just horrible. And pulling the rug out from any of them is just going to cause those of us who are producers to pay for it some other way, which unfortunately I am afraid will include robbery, theft, and even violent attacks that could take the life of family members.

Are we really just going to pull the rug out of a greater and greater segment of the population and expect them to not do this? I am not a fan of entitlements at all. However, if I can pay a little bit more to keep a segment out of the entitlement bin, it might be worth it. $15/hr is excessive perhaps, but some level of health insurance and retirement savings will pay dividends in the long run. And prevent them from being dumped onto the taxpayer long term in the interest of a short term business gain.

 

[Maximus1966]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
....playing ostrich to the hundreds of millions of people here that are a public liability, including the unemployed, the welfare case, the retired population with huge unfunded liabilities, etc is just horrible....


Well...hundreds of millions is quite a stretch as our entire population is 314 million.
In addition, your rant is wrongfully directed at "poor business owners" and retirees when it should be directed at your elected representatives who continue to enable a growing population of leeches and have allowed scams such as disability to nearly bankrupt the SS system.

 

[whip]

The future is fewer jobs, and sadly I can see this protest spurring it on. If you've ever been to a Sheetz gas station and ordered food, you order on a touch screen monitor. We have self checkout lanes at grocery stores. Is there a need for cashiers at all? I'd be willing to bet there are many other things that could be automated to eliminate jobs.

I don't use the self check out lines because it eliminates jobs. I've seen people here say they would pay more for the convenience of them. I wonder if those are the same people complaining about needing a "fair wage"?

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: Maximus1966
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
....playing ostrich to the hundreds of millions of people here that are a public liability, including the unemployed, the welfare case, the retired population with huge unfunded liabilities, etc is just horrible....


Well...hundreds of millions is quite a stretch as our entire population is 314 million.
In addition, your rant is wrongfully directed at "poor business owners" and retirees when it should be directed at your elected representatives who continue to enable a growing population of leeches and have allowed scams such as disability to nearly bankrupt the SS system.


Given that I am FAR younger than you, (1) I wasn't able to vote, and thus just get to pay for this mess for my next 30+ working years and then into retirement; (2) I am the face of the population who will be paying for this much more than you'll ever be, and though we're not in the 1% yet, were in the evil 2's, who must be penalized for our knowledge, skills and capabilities which fortunately are still valued; (3) the juggernaut that was started before I had a vote or a say, is going to be touh to stop as our 314 million absorbs the illegals and is all of a sudden 400M, and growing... Unfortunately my numbers aren't as far off as you make them to be. Every thread has disparaging comments about the lazy gen x/gen y type people, and how they can't do anything. Do we really think there isn't a solid 25-30% of the population fitting the bill? Yeah, right.

So I'm sick and tired of hearing how some old [censored] should keep some coin, or a CEO should get a bonus, and want to ear how we deal with the liabilities that you and your peers have straddled us with. Not woe is me.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8


So yes, he made more than a stock clerk, a lot more. But he had a ton of responsibility too, and he was there far more than any other person who worked there.

...

There is opportunity out there. Go get some for yourself and your family...


I never work 40 (usually a good number more), and I don't watch TV.

But I did read this:

http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2012/04/27/do-the-wealthy-work-harder-than-the-rest/

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: wsar10

With all do respect....than your a fool for allowing your wife to humiliate herself by working a TEENAGERS job. Why the [censored] is your wifes inability to step up to the plate and better herself MY PROBLEM or any other consumers problem ?? So YOUR family entitled to a decent wage for NO EFFORT or education ?? Why was my family not entitled to a decent wage for nothing ?? NO we started out with low wage jobs as 16yo old kids and WORKED our way up through pay grades with education, experience and EFFORT. NOW at 30 we both work full time and make good money she a CNA and I do electronically repair and engineering work and we have a side business that employs 3 people. We are conservatives and understand the fact that nobody owes you nothing, everybody cuts there own deal, BUT i'll be [censored] if its OK for you to make $16 an hour when I had to earn an associates degree in 12v electronics to even start at that wage. If a burger flipper makes 16 that makes the $28 bucks an hour I make worth about half.


If you are going to rip on somebody and tell them to get an education, you might want to check your spelling and grammar before looking like a complete and utter hypocrite.

Here is how your post would look if it was written by somebody with that education you seem to feel is so necessary for ram_man's wife, yet his post isn't the grammatical and spelling nightmare yours is. Education indeed

Congratulations.

Originally Posted By: wsar10's alter ego

With all due respect, then you are a fool for allowing your wife to humiliate herself by working a TEENAGER'S job. Why the [censored] is your wife's inability to step up to the plate and better herself MY PROBLEM or any other consumer's problem ?? So YOUR family is entitled to a decent wage for NO EFFORT or education ?? Why was my family not entitled to a decent wage for nothing ?? No, we started out with low wage jobs as 16yo old kids and WORKED our way up through pay grades with education, experience and EFFORT. NOW at 30 we both work full time and make good money. She is a CNA and I do electronic repair and engineering work. We also have a side business that employs 3 people. We are conservatives and understand the fact that nobody owes you anything, everybody cuts their own deal, BUT I'll be [censored] if it is OK for you to make $16 an hour when I had to earn an associates degree in 12v electronics to even start at that wage. If a burger flipper makes 16, that makes the $28 bucks an hour I make worth about half.


I'm a conservative as well, and certainly don't think that some of the wages being proposed are reasonable for somebody doing burger flipping. I was scrubbing toilets and cleaning up trucker dung for $7.25/hour when I was in school because that's what the job payed, ergo, that's what the job was WORTH.

However, it would be best if we don't confuse lack of effort or work with the value of a given job. The work; the EFFORT that ram_man's wife sounds like she is putting in doesn't sound like "no effort" to me. And how do we know she has no education? Perhaps she is educated in a field that isn't hiring at this point and so instead of collecting welfare or some other parasitic entitlement she is out scrubbing floors and managing teenagers at McDonalds. If that's the case, I certainly wouldn't be shooting her down for her efforts here.

That's the problem when we start judging people from the other side of the computer screen. I don't know you, all I know is that your spelling and grammar are rather poor. It doesn't mean your aren't intelligent or aren't a hard worker, but that was the first thing I saw when I read your rude and condescending post directed at ram_man. You know only what he has told you about his situation, which is that his wife works at McDonalds. You don't know why, you don't know her background, yet you accused her of essentially being a lazy and uneducated imbecile, completely oblivious of the fact that what ram_man described as her behaviour would lead me to conclude that she is anything but lazy. She sounds like a hard working person doing the job she has for the wage it pays. And he never said she should make $16/hour, he said $10-12, which IMHO actually sounds reasonable for the work she is doing.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: ram_man


I never said 16. Also fast food is not a teenagers job. There are several older people working there. The jobs the people with an education once had are gone. A lot of jobs that once were are no more. And what are you talking about about? My wife went to college my wife has a degree in business and some schooling for vetrinary. She got the job at mcds because she was laid off from her previous job and she had to have a job. She has been looking for a better job for quite sometime there simply are none around here. No offense as I am a conservative but some of you so called conservatives only see black and white. When a corporation makes record profits yearly and they give huge bonuses to the big wigs there is no reason to not scratch the back of your workforce a little bit.


You were far more polite in reply than I would have been

I figured your situation was as you've described here. Your wife sounds like somebody who works hard because she feels she needs to work, regardless of the job. She doesn't want a hand-out or feel that she is "entitled". Pretty much the opposite of what he described.

 

[DBMaster]

According to last Sunday's "Inside Man" (Morgan Spurlock's new show) more than half of the job growth since the recession "ended" has consisted of low wage service jobs. This is why I take government employment statistics with a grain of salt. Even my current job, which I started four years ago, pays substantially less than my previous one. This is a job that requires a degree and years of specific experience, professional certification preferred.

 

[wsar10]

RAM_MAN:

I do understand your position, BUT again YOU DONT WORK THESE JOBS as a career PERIOD. You yourself said "she" went there when she got laid off UNTIL she finds something better..... Thats an example of what these jobs are. She hasnt found something yet, but is looking, and if she has the type of work ethic you described than she WILL get something better or in her field .Somebody of your wifes etiquette is not supposed to work there and buy no means should we raise wages of a job to compensate somebody who is above the job description. With that school of thought that means If I get laid of from my company and go work at BK than I should get paid more because I'm obviously a good worker (MAYBE) but that also mean that kid who is 16 gets the same wage and that sets a false bottom he did not yet work his way upto that wage. And yes i understand they are not "ONLY" literately for teenagers. BUT this is not a job that you keep or seek when you have the overhead that you listed below. And you think for a minute that if you FORCE owners and corps to raise a wage that it wont end up on my shoulders ?? and every other consumers shoulders, ABSOLUTELY corporations DO NOT JUST EAT an extra cost or tax it gets passed down to you and I.
I have a plbg and heating business and when copper goes up GUESS what, your price to have my guys on a jobsite to plumb a home goes up (we barley use copper, its an example)

 

[javacontour]

It may go up some. However, if the market would pay $4.87 or $5.09 for an average ticket wouldn't the fast food outlets already charge that?

You are looking at only one aspect. The reality is likely some will benefit from higher wages. Others will find themselves priced out of a job, and there will be more unemployment, ultimately hurting those most vulnerable.

Originally Posted By: buster
The average ticket at McDonalds is $4.75. The average worker makes $9 per hr. According to a group of economists, raising the federal minimum wage from the present $7.25 to $10.50 would increase costs by 2.7%. To cover that increase McDonalds would have to raise the price of its average ticket from $4.75 to $4.87.

A back of the envelope calculation suggests that meeting the $15 minimum that striking workers are demanding would require that the average ticket at McDonalds be raised from $4.75 to about $5.04. Any increase, of course, would probably be phased in over 2 to 3 years.

Can we afford to pay an extra 29 cents for a Happy Meal and drink?

P.S. These calculations do not take into account the likelihood, in my opinion, that raising the pay of fast food employees to a respectable level would reduce turnover and ....

 

[javacontour]

All these folks saying the should just pay more are free to open their own fast food joint and pay $15/hr.

 

[Maximus1966]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
So I'm sick and tired of hearing how some old [censored] should keep some coin, or a CEO should get a bonus, and want to ear how we deal with the liabilities that you and your peers have straddled us with. Not woe is me.


Now that's rich! Blame current woes on the people who built the country into the most prosperous on earth, rather than those who came later and squandered most of the riches. The problem with a lot of younger folks (especially the ones who think they are entitled to something) is that they are intelligent, but lack wisdom. Intelligence + years of experience = wisdom.

The only way to deal with the liabilities is to encourage conservative fiscal attitudes in everyone you can influence and elect representatives who are willing to dismantle the welfare state. In any case, it is not going to happen quickly. Also, it would not hurt at all to ask what you can do for your country, not what your country can do for you.

 

[Maximus1966]

Originally Posted By: javacontour
All these folks saying the should just pay more are free to open their own fast food joint and pay $15/hr.


Outstanding! You won't find any of the government workers, disability slugs or unemployment ho's taking that route though!

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: Maximus1966
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
So I'm sick and tired of hearing how some old [censored] should keep some coin, or a CEO should get a bonus, and want to ear how we deal with the liabilities that you and your peers have straddled us with. Not woe is me.


Now that's rich! Blame current woes on the people who built the country into the most prosperous on earth, rather than those who came later and squandered most of the riches. The problem with a lot of younger folks (especially the ones who think they are entitled to something) is that they are intelligent, but lack wisdom. Intelligence + years of experience = wisdom.

The only way to deal with the liabilities is to encourage conservative fiscal attitudes in everyone you can influence and elect representatives who are willing to dismantle the welfare state. In any case, it is not going to happen quickly. Also, it would not hurt at all to ask what you can do for your country, not what your country can do for you.


I really don't get what's rich about my comment. The roots of the entitlement programs were in the 30's. Most of the current stuff went on its expansion path in the 60's. A far shot from when an 80's baby like myself could even start to feel entitled, let alone vote.

And there have been lummoxes in every generation. That the parents' generation has caused these entitled kids affirms my concept of the blame on the treacherous boomers who did it by pillaging systems and budgets, and through unprecedented debt. What a great way to create that wealth you speak of, by straddling the future generations with debt and unfunded liabilities. Yep, great legacy. Of course you think that the debt your generation created shouldn't be repaid by your generation. Kick the can my way... Ill vote to pull the plug on the unfunded liability that is the boomer Medicare first. What choice do I have? Just grin and pay for the bed you made for me??

 

[bubbatime]

Originally Posted By: ram_man
And a manager should make 12 and up. The store manager here get his own personal SUV free gas and insurance and upkeep. And 65,000 a year. But in reality all the other managers do as much or more than him. Why should a shift only make 16,000 a year and a store manager get full benefits paid vacation and 65,000 a year. It's not how it should be .



Whahhh!! That stupid store manager that worked hard and worked his/her way up from the bottom earns more than all the other employees. Whhhaaaaahhhhh!! Give me a break. Life isn't fair. IF YOU DON'T LIKE YOUR SITUATION, CHANGE IT!!!

 

[ram_man]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: ram_man


I never said 16. Also fast food is not a teenagers job. There are several older people working there. The jobs the people with an education once had are gone. A lot of jobs that once were are no more. And what are you talking about about? My wife went to college my wife has a degree in business and some schooling for vetrinary. She got the job at mcds because she was laid off from her previous job and she had to have a job. She has been looking for a better job for quite sometime there simply are none around here. No offense as I am a conservative but some of you so called conservatives only see black and white. When a corporation makes record profits yearly and they give huge bonuses to the big wigs there is no reason to not scratch the back of your workforce a little bit.


You were far more polite in reply than I would have been

I figured your situation was as you've described here. Your wife sounds like somebody who works hard because she feels she needs to work, regardless of the job. She doesn't want a hand-out or feel that she is "entitled". Pretty much the opposite of what he described.

Thank you. It's nice to see a little common sense every now and again!

 

[ram_man]

Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Originally Posted By: ram_man
And a manager should make 12 and up. The store manager here get his own personal SUV free gas and insurance and upkeep. And 65,000 a year. But in reality all the other managers do as much or more than him. Why should a shift only make 16,000 a year and a store manager get full benefits paid vacation and 65,000 a year. It's not how it should be .



Whahhh!! That stupid store manager that worked hard and worked his/her way up from the bottom earns more than all the other employees. Whhhaaaaahhhhh!! Give me a break. Life isn't fair. IF YOU DON'T LIKE YOUR SITUATION, CHANGE IT!!!

I wasn't aware that they gave a batch of ignorance with every pack of cracker jacks. Thank you for informing me. It's obvious you are clueless about how things should be and are And instead of saying anything of intelligence you slap your lips and make fecal matter come out. An amazing talent really.