Fast-food strikes set for cities nationwide

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Originally Posted By: javacontour
All these folks saying the should just pay more are free to open their own fast food joint and pay $15/hr.


Never going to happen. All these people who demand $15/hour for unskilled workers have no desire to actually own or run a business and they have no idea how much money that it actually takes to run such a business.
 
Originally Posted By: Maximus1966
Now that's rich! Blame current woes on the people who built the country into the most prosperous on earth, rather than those who came later and squandered most of the riches.


Prosperity isn't built racking up debt.

I'll have this now, and someone can pay for it later isn't prosperous, it's a ponzi scheme.

People rag on retired GM workers who were promised something in the future to keep their wages and car costs down "today". But tomorrow always catches up.

So "today", I am saving for my retirement, through compulsory deferred income, while paying taxes into nearly every house in my street.Paying tolls on roads that are built today, while paying off the borrowings for the roads that were built decades ago.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
...And there have been lummoxes in every generation...of course you think that the debt your generation created shouldn't be repaid by your generation. Kick the can my way... Ill vote to pull the plug on the unfunded liability that is the boomer Medicare first....


I think you mean there have been liberals in every generation. I can agree with that. However you remain very confused with your generational generalities. Debt created by baby boomers was really just a drop in the bucket compared to what has been created lately.

I'll vote with you on the SS/MCR fiasco. It's just another form of welfare. Personally, I would never take a dime of taxpayer money for medical or any other care. I am private pay for all medical and SS check is direct deposit to St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: ram_man


I never said 16. Also fast food is not a teenagers job. There are several older people working there. The jobs the people with an education once had are gone. A lot of jobs that once were are no more. And what are you talking about about? My wife went to college my wife has a degree in business and some schooling for vetrinary. She got the job at mcds because she was laid off from her previous job and she had to have a job. She has been looking for a better job for quite sometime there simply are none around here. No offense as I am a conservative but some of you so called conservatives only see black and white. When a corporation makes record profits yearly and they give huge bonuses to the big wigs there is no reason to not scratch the back of your workforce a little bit.


You were far more polite in reply than I would have been
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I figured your situation was as you've described here. Your wife sounds like somebody who works hard because she feels she needs to work, regardless of the job. She doesn't want a hand-out or feel that she is "entitled". Pretty much the opposite of what he described.

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Maybe you should re-read and understand what he is describing polite or not I don't care we are MEN here, I was not trying to offend anybody at all. IT IS EXACTLY entitlement said person feels entitled to a higher wage because they are over qualified for a position that they are working, when the position is ENTRY LEVEL. Its NOT "entitlement" in the sense of "I want something for free" or the kind of entitlements that Canada gives out in the form of welfare healthcare, but it is entitlement none the less !
 
Originally Posted By: Maximus1966


I think you mean there have been liberals in every generation. I can agree with that. However you remain very confused with your generational generalities. Debt created by baby boomers was really just a drop in the bucket compared to what has been created lately.
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No that is not what I meant, as you know as well as I that there are plenty of super smart and high performing people on either side of the political alignment. So let's not go there turning this blatantly political.

But people are on a spectrum and always have been. A lazy or dumb or incapable or poor portion of the population, however you want to define them, have always been part of the population. People who are incapable of taking on but the simplest and/or lowest end jobs.

And debt caused by boomers is not small. It has grown and grown over a long time. I'm no handout fan, but many of those shovel ready stimulus jobs that added to debt were due to crumbling, ill-maintained infrastructure entrusted to them. But the 800 lb gorilla is the $75 trillion in SSI/medicare packages that the boomers expect, but wasted the money for, and that they will all conveniently be dead by the time the worst of it hits.

I'm on the hook and should be happy about it??!?

And you're not willing to give these folks who will also be on the hook for it and more if they get themselves out of the 47% something???!?

$15 is excessive but they should at least have access to job (not taxpayer paid) benefits and minimize their parasitic draw on society. The boomers are enough.
 
Originally Posted By: wsar10

Maybe you should re-read and understand what he is describing


I did read what he was describing, perhaps YOU need to re-read it?
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Though I find it amusing that the guy with the spelling and grammar deficiency is telling me how to read and understand
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polite or not I don't care we are MEN here, I was not trying to offend anybody at all.


Well sir, I believe you've failed in that endeavour.

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IT IS EXACTLY entitlement said person feels entitled to a higher wage because they are over qualified for a position that they are working, when the position is ENTRY LEVEL.


No, he said he thought the position his WIFE was working (not what SHE feels she should make, what HE feels she should make) should pay ~10-12 dollars an hour. We don't know what SHE feels, because SHE isn't posting on here.

Awesome work on those reading and understanding skills BTW.

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Its NOT "entitlement" in the sense of "I want something for free" or the kind of entitlements that Canada gives out in the form of welfare healthcare, but it is entitlement none the less !


Oh, that's rich! So because I pay for my healthcare through our taxation system, that's welfare entitlement? Some of you guys are absolutely unbelievable!!
 
People are no longer willing to work for what fast food employers are paying...sounds like the free market at work to me.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: wsar10

Maybe you should re-read and understand what he is describing


I did read what he was describing, perhaps YOU need to re-read it?
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Though I find it amusing that the guy with the spelling and grammar deficiency is telling me how to read and understand
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polite or not I don't care we are MEN here, I was not trying to offend anybody at all.


Well sir, I believe you've failed in that endeavour.

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IT IS EXACTLY entitlement said person feels entitled to a higher wage because they are over qualified for a position that they are working, when the position is ENTRY LEVEL.


No, he said he thought the position his WIFE was working (not what SHE feels she should make, what HE feels she should make) should pay ~10-12 dollars an hour. We don't know what SHE feels, because SHE isn't posting on here.

Awesome work on those reading and understanding skills BTW.

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Its NOT "entitlement" in the sense of "I want something for free" or the kind of entitlements that Canada gives out in the form of welfare healthcare, but it is entitlement none the less !


Oh, that's rich! So because I pay for my healthcare through our taxation system, that's welfare entitlement? Some of you guys are absolutely unbelievable!!



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Originally Posted By: Maximus1966
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Back when I drank soda, the owner of the eatery I went to told me that his cost per serving of a medium soda was 6 cents. And he sold them for 1.50 or so.

And a table service waiter/ress doesn't even make minimum wage


I'm not sure what point you are trying to make there, but obviously you don't understand the difference in gross profit and net profit. Selling an item with a high gross profit does not always equate to high net profit. The six cents you quoted was apparently just the product cost. Added to that would be pro rata shares of all the expenses necessary to get that product to the consumer...rent, utilities, payroll, insurance, etc.


The point is that a higher wage is easily paid for thanks to the extreme mark up on the food.

And things like rent, or utilities, are the same whether you have 50 people in the place at any given time or 5.

The person I refer to made a killing in that business.
 
Originally Posted By: wsar10
the kind of entitlements that Canada gives out in the form of welfare healthcare, but it is entitlement none the less !
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That's it...no soup for you!
 
Originally Posted By: Kruse
Originally Posted By: javacontour
All these folks saying the should just pay more are free to open their own fast food joint and pay $15/hr.


Never going to happen. All these people who demand $15/hour for unskilled workers have no desire to actually own or run a business and they have no idea how much money that it actually takes to run such a business.


This straw-man argument keeps popping up in nearly every page of this thread.

One business would go under paying double what others pay. No doubt.

Supposedly the organizers want either this wage paid across the whole industry, or a higher, livable minimum wage. If your competition is paying it too, then you've re-zeroed the baseline.

I can still get a dominoes pizza delivered like I could a decade ago-- and in the meantime, the price of gas has tripled. Somehow a slow-but-steady pricing upheaval hasn't hurt that business model. $15/hr wouldn't work tomorrow but if wages went up a buck and a half a year businesses would adopt or get taken over by ones that work.
 
Lots of people in this country have jobs that require more skill and more responsibility and make less than $15/hour. I wonder how they feel that someone flipping burgers, a job that requires no skill or responsibility, makes more than them.
 
Actually, any argument where someone is not willing to put up their own money to support their view is the straw-man. I.E. all those who don't own a business, but are willing to say what others should do with their money is the ultimate straw-man.

If the skills and talents someone brings to the table are worth $X/hr, that is what the market will pay.

If a burger, fries and drink are worth $Y, that's what the market will bear.

All this talk of the meal only goes up $0.29 or whatever figure discounts the idea that the market has already decided what that meal is worth to the consumer.

We haven't even touch on the inflationary pressures of artificially adjusting wages.

Let's say minimum wage is raised to $15/hr. Then what? More dollars chasing the goods in the marketplace. Prices go up.

Then what? $15/hr becomes the equivalent of $7.50/hr today.

Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: Kruse
Originally Posted By: javacontour
All these folks saying the should just pay more are free to open their own fast food joint and pay $15/hr.


Never going to happen. All these people who demand $15/hour for unskilled workers have no desire to actually own or run a business and they have no idea how much money that it actually takes to run such a business.


This straw-man argument keeps popping up in nearly every page of this thread.

One business would go under paying double what others pay. No doubt.

Supposedly the organizers want either this wage paid across the whole industry, or a higher, livable minimum wage. If your competition is paying it too, then you've re-zeroed the baseline.

I can still get a dominoes pizza delivered like I could a decade ago-- and in the meantime, the price of gas has tripled. Somehow a slow-but-steady pricing upheaval hasn't hurt that business model. $15/hr wouldn't work tomorrow but if wages went up a buck and a half a year businesses would adopt or get taken over by ones that work.
 
Originally Posted By: javacontour


If a burger, fries and drink are worth $Y, that's what the market will bear.

All this talk of the meal only goes up $0.29 or whatever figure discounts the idea that the market has already decided what that meal is worth to the consumer.



Hogwash. The same tasting slab of beef and fries costs different amounts at a gastropub, family restaurant and fast food joint. They also cost different amounts between places, e.g. Wendy, bk, five guys, etc.

Ditto for the same product costing different amounts at an airport, truckstop or standalone restaurant.

These places all stay in business and business thrives so obviously it isn't as dire as you claim.

Now I'm not for $15/hr at all. My dog in the hunt is to keep then from sapping MY tax dollars. I'd much prefer these costs to be on the consumer than the government.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: javacontour


If a burger, fries and drink are worth $Y, that's what the market will bear.

All this talk of the meal only goes up $0.29 or whatever figure discounts the idea that the market has already decided what that meal is worth to the consumer.



Hogwash. The same tasting slab of beef and fries costs different amounts at a gastropub, family restaurant and fast food joint. They also cost different amounts between places, e.g. Wendy, bk, five guys, etc.

Ditto for the same product costing different amounts at an airport, truckstop or standalone restaurant.

These places all stay in business and business thrives so obviously it isn't as dire as you claim.

Now I'm not for $15/hr at all. My dog in the hunt is to keep then from sapping MY tax dollars. I'd much prefer these costs to be on the consumer than the government.


I never said dire. Citing outliers such as airports isn't really addressing the true value. Many traveling are not spending their own money. Likewise, if you end the practice of preventing many food and drink items from passing security and you will find the price charged at the airport to drop.

Sure, the burger served at a sit down table order restaurant is higher. Why? Because your are paying for more than the burger. You are paying for service and an experience. Those who work at such places are likely earning more. These folks provide a valuable service. We don't place the same value on the assembly line burger production at a fast food outlet.
 
I'm sensing some legitimite souding fear from "the landed" that the peasants are brewing a revolt.
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Originally Posted By: javacontour
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: javacontour


If a burger, fries and drink are worth $Y, that's what the market will bear.

All this talk of the meal only goes up $0.29 or whatever figure discounts the idea that the market has already decided what that meal is worth to the consumer.



Hogwash. The same tasting slab of beef and fries costs different amounts at a gastropub, family restaurant and fast food joint. They also cost different amounts between places, e.g. Wendy, bk, five guys, etc.

Ditto for the same product costing different amounts at an airport, truckstop or standalone restaurant.

These places all stay in business and business thrives so obviously it isn't as dire as you claim.

Now I'm not for $15/hr at all. My dog in the hunt is to keep then from sapping MY tax dollars. I'd much prefer these costs to be on the consumer than the government.


I never said dire. Citing outliers such as airports isn't really addressing the true value. Many traveling are not spending their own money. Likewise, if you end the practice of preventing many food and drink items from passing security and you will find the price charged at the airport to drop.

Sure, the burger served at a sit down table order restaurant is higher. Why? Because your are paying for more than the burger. You are paying for service and an experience. Those who work at such places are likely earning more. These folks provide a valuable service. We don't place the same value on the assembly line burger production at a fast food outlet.


Big assumption if you think that a majority of travelers are not spending their own money on food therefore willing to spend more of it willy-nilly. Doesn't sound like a good employee or maximizing value if they are spendthrifts.

And to argue that foods revive workers who have a lower minimum wage than the other workers ($3.03/hr or something along those lines), and who earn by tips (service) drive the cost by what can be 2-4x higher is laughable.
 
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