Failured to Signal a Lane Change, Died Days Later
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The officer had a written warning that he was going to give her. I think she assumed it was a ticket and had an attitude about that and being pulled over.
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: hatt
That's an extraordinary case for sure but there are plenty of cops who rack up very few complaints.
Very few is not the same as "nothing," as was in this story. Personally, I find the new story you linked fishy. A police captain is going to talk about a deputy's personnel file to a newspaper? Also, what is the retention period for complaints in that department or in that jurisdiction? I guarantee you that up here, if someone had a complaint from twenty years ago, that would have been removed from their personnel file quite some time ago due to legislative requirements.
If that were here, the captain would be looking for a new job due to discussing a personnel file. Consent is irrelevant. And some records people would have their feet held to the fire for not purging ancient records. A motorist gets a ticket 20 years ago for speeding and pays it, it automatically disappears from his record in a reasonable amount of time. The same applies to a police officer up here who's transgression was swearing at a client or using emergency lighting at an inappropriate time.
Incidentally, plenty of departments lack quotas.
I've never heard of the story being refuted. It's several years old. Your disagreement with it also has nothing to do with the bigger picture. A professional would have been able to handle that situation without incident. Inflated ego bully with "power" handles it differently.
Originally Posted By: hatt
That's an extraordinary case for sure but there are plenty of cops who rack up very few complaints.
Very few is not the same as "nothing," as was in this story. Personally, I find the new story you linked fishy. A police captain is going to talk about a deputy's personnel file to a newspaper? Also, what is the retention period for complaints in that department or in that jurisdiction? I guarantee you that up here, if someone had a complaint from twenty years ago, that would have been removed from their personnel file quite some time ago due to legislative requirements.
If that were here, the captain would be looking for a new job due to discussing a personnel file. Consent is irrelevant. And some records people would have their feet held to the fire for not purging ancient records. A motorist gets a ticket 20 years ago for speeding and pays it, it automatically disappears from his record in a reasonable amount of time. The same applies to a police officer up here who's transgression was swearing at a client or using emergency lighting at an inappropriate time.
Incidentally, plenty of departments lack quotas.
I've never heard of the story being refuted. It's several years old. Your disagreement with it also has nothing to do with the bigger picture. A professional would have been able to handle that situation without incident. Inflated ego bully with "power" handles it differently.
Originally Posted By: grampi
I highly doubt the cop would've acted the way he did had this lady been respectful and compliant...he would've had no reason to...
Likewise. I would have no trouble complying with the officer's demands. A few respectful "yes sir's" and "no sir's" might have been helpful, too...
I highly doubt the cop would've acted the way he did had this lady been respectful and compliant...he would've had no reason to...
Likewise. I would have no trouble complying with the officer's demands. A few respectful "yes sir's" and "no sir's" might have been helpful, too...
Originally Posted By: Benito
"Yes sir, no sir"
Sure, go ahead. Be subservient to the gubernment.
That's not subservient, it's called being respectful to law enforcement...maybe you should learn the difference...maybe that will save your life one day...
"Yes sir, no sir"
Sure, go ahead. Be subservient to the gubernment.
That's not subservient, it's called being respectful to law enforcement...maybe you should learn the difference...maybe that will save your life one day...
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Originally Posted By: SHOZ
If the cop gets sued and has to pay out no way should it come from his pension. That is paid for by the taxpayer. Make him fork up his own funds for such ******tery.
Then you might as well just say that anyone mistreated by a cop is out of luck. Yeah, you have a $10 million judgment against him...but he is a turnip. (As in, you can't get blood out of one.)
I think we can all agree that the police officer in the video made the arrest, but do some people think HE also killed her?
While I have no idea if this was a murder, suicide or something else, I don't know that the arresting officer would be responsible for her death days later. CNN reported that her bail was $5,000. While I'm no legal scholar, I assume that means she had her bail set by a judge in court and afterwards returned to jail (not a holding cell in the police station).
I further assume that the arresting officer is NOT a jail guard and would NOT have been in the jail when she died. I imagine he'd be working somewhere outside of the jail, at home asleep, shopping, doing house chores, or any number of things we do when we're not working.
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
If the cop gets sued and has to pay out no way should it come from his pension. That is paid for by the taxpayer. Make him fork up his own funds for such ******tery.
Then you might as well just say that anyone mistreated by a cop is out of luck. Yeah, you have a $10 million judgment against him...but he is a turnip. (As in, you can't get blood out of one.)
I think we can all agree that the police officer in the video made the arrest, but do some people think HE also killed her?
While I have no idea if this was a murder, suicide or something else, I don't know that the arresting officer would be responsible for her death days later. CNN reported that her bail was $5,000. While I'm no legal scholar, I assume that means she had her bail set by a judge in court and afterwards returned to jail (not a holding cell in the police station).
I further assume that the arresting officer is NOT a jail guard and would NOT have been in the jail when she died. I imagine he'd be working somewhere outside of the jail, at home asleep, shopping, doing house chores, or any number of things we do when we're not working.
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: hatt
Best to say nothing at all. Hand the cop the required docs and wait.
Not necessarily, what if the cop is asking you a question?
Let me guess. The cop will be justified to shoot first, ask questions later?
Originally Posted By: hatt
Best to say nothing at all. Hand the cop the required docs and wait.
Not necessarily, what if the cop is asking you a question?
Let me guess. The cop will be justified to shoot first, ask questions later?
Originally Posted By: hatt
Best to say nothing at all. Hand the cop the required docs and wait.
Yea, I don't think they respect kiss ups anyway. I do my talking in court. I've been many times and have only lost twice. The cop can write you for anything under the sun. When you take it to court you can embarrass him.
People need to take every ticket to court to discourage this overzealous stuff.
Isn't the yes sir guy just as guilty. Why should licking a cops boots make a difference in enforcement. Is it ethical to police in that manor?
Best to say nothing at all. Hand the cop the required docs and wait.
Yea, I don't think they respect kiss ups anyway. I do my talking in court. I've been many times and have only lost twice. The cop can write you for anything under the sun. When you take it to court you can embarrass him.
People need to take every ticket to court to discourage this overzealous stuff.
Isn't the yes sir guy just as guilty. Why should licking a cops boots make a difference in enforcement. Is it ethical to police in that manor?
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Originally Posted By: philipp10
well I find it ironic that every time I have been pulled over, they are ordering me to "stay in my car". Normally, they don't want you stepping out. The only reason he wanted her to step out was because of her sassy attitude. There does NOT appear to be any other reason.
I agree with you phiipp10. Anytime I've been pulled over and have gotten out,the cop totally wigs out and tells you to stay in your car. Imo he was a man who has a power trip that likes to bully women. And when she wouldn't allow that to happen,he got butt-hurt,started screaming at her,then opened her door,grabbed her,and tried to pull her out. What kind've "man" throws a hissy fit and starts bullying a woman around? Seriously,here's a grown man screaming at and then fighting a woman over a cigarette? She didn't threaten him in any way. If she had an attitude? So what. He's supposed to be the professional. Hand her the citation,wish her a nice day,and move on.
well I find it ironic that every time I have been pulled over, they are ordering me to "stay in my car". Normally, they don't want you stepping out. The only reason he wanted her to step out was because of her sassy attitude. There does NOT appear to be any other reason.
I agree with you phiipp10. Anytime I've been pulled over and have gotten out,the cop totally wigs out and tells you to stay in your car. Imo he was a man who has a power trip that likes to bully women. And when she wouldn't allow that to happen,he got butt-hurt,started screaming at her,then opened her door,grabbed her,and tried to pull her out. What kind've "man" throws a hissy fit and starts bullying a woman around? Seriously,here's a grown man screaming at and then fighting a woman over a cigarette? She didn't threaten him in any way. If she had an attitude? So what. He's supposed to be the professional. Hand her the citation,wish her a nice day,and move on.
Some of you are taking this way out of context...nobody is saying you need to be "subservient", or "kiss the cop's boots" if you're stopped by a cop....it's called common courtesy...unfortunately, many in today's society don't know what this is...
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