Failured to Signal a Lane Change, Died Days Later

grampi · Jul 23, 2015

Originally Posted By: pbm
Originally Posted By: Al
Here is a silly idea that would solve 99% of these problems:
"Yes sir officer".."No sir officer"

I agree.
There is an element of today's society that has no manners and less brains....

Not only this, but now days, people know incidents like this will be plastered all over the media and no matter how badly the perp acts, and no matter what the perp does, there will be people who claim they were in the right and the cop was in the wrong...where do you think this stupid and completely factitious "hands up, don't shoot" garbage came from?

Garak · Jul 23, 2015

That touchy feely story about an officer who gets no complaints also doesn't note how many tickets he writes. An officer who does his job will get complaints.

hatt · Jul 23, 2015

Originally Posted By: Garak
That touchy feely story about an officer who gets no complaints also doesn't note how many tickets he writes. An officer who does his job will get complaints.
Yeah I know you guys are quick to dismiss that case to legitimize the bullies. I'm sure if he wasn't writing enough tickets he would have had complaints coming from the number crunchers in the department.

That's an extraordinary case for sure but there are plenty of cops who rack up very few complaints. All about mindset. If you clock in with an attitude you're going to find plenty more.

BigJohn · Jul 23, 2015

I'll be the first one to behave...."Yes Sir....No Sir...." That's how I was raised.

But I will tell you..... Too many of our cops are on little ego, power trips and they quickly get out of line, when someone questions or threatens their authority.

Cops being professional, kind and accommodating are very rare....yet that behavior should be a non-negotiable for the job.

On the other side, I do feel for cops who work high crime areas, where drugs, illegal guns and violence abound. Those guys have to be on edge every minute of every day and when we see them get a little aggressive.....I completely understand.

By the way, Michael Brown was a criminal and he attacked the officer. It's a bad thing he died, but his death is the fault of horrible parenting....not an officer defending himself.

Bland was mistreated in the stop and arrest, but her death is not the fault of the officer of the police department. She could have just as easily hanged herself in her home that evening.

philipp10 · Jul 23, 2015

Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Originally Posted By: philipp10

All you say is very true but being sassy to a cop after being pulled over for a missing lane change signal should never result in being dragged out of your car.

Her sassy attitude wasn't the reason she was forcibly removed from the vehicle. It was her repeated refusal to obey a lawful order to exit the car. You. CAN'T. refuse. a. lawful. order. Not only that she also resisted his attempt to remove her after she wouldn't get out of the vehicle herself he was placing her under arrest she resisted arrest. So you have now TWO serious crimes.
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And I will gaurantee you, had it been a white female in a rich suburb, it would have never happened. There is NO law stating I have to be courteous....

Nope. I have seen a number of videos where some indulged self
serving white females have also been forcibly removed from their vehicles for doing the same actions as this women. They were in clearly affluent areas and they too had money.

well I find it ironic that every time I have been pulled over, they are ordering me to "stay in my car". Normally, they don't want you stepping out. The only reason he wanted her to step out was because of her sassy attitude. There does NOT appear to be any other reason.

philipp10 · Jul 23, 2015

I have a story about my brother in law and the cops in Minnesota. He was diagnosed with Wernicke–Korsakoff_syndrome a year ago. Its like an early onset Alzheimers from alcohol abuse. He is 61 and lives in a assisted living place (Peaceful Lodge). He wandered out at 2:00 am one night, was looking in homes windows and urinated in the street. The cops picked him up and jailed him over-night. Ok, we get that. Next day they find out where he lives (Peaceful Lodge). They go over there and staff say he is a patient there. They tell them he has WK syndrome. They search his room. Makes sense, maybe he has been stealing from the local neighborhood. They find nothing. Later that day, even though they know his condition, they charge him with peeping and indecent exposure. He goes in front of a judge, who immediately throws out the case. Just seems to me the cops are a bit off base here. Anyone with half a brain can see the guy is not right.

SHOZ · Jul 23, 2015

If the cop gets sued and has to pay out no way should it come from his pension. That is paid for by the taxpayer. Make him fork up his own funds for such ******tery.

Dallas69 · Jul 23, 2015

A lit cigarette can be a weapon.

spasm3 · Jul 23, 2015

Originally Posted By: BigJohn
I'll be the first one to behave...."Yes Sir....No Sir...." That's how I was raised.

But I will tell you..... Too many of our cops are on little ego, power trips and they quickly get out of line, when someone questions or threatens their authority.

Maybe so, but the traffic stop is not the place to question authority. Get through the stop and deal with it with a judge and internal affairs.
Do you really think arguing with the officer will sway his decision roadside?

Court is where you question authority or validity of the stop.
But this requires self control and common sense, things lacking in many people nowadays.

Jarlaxle · Jul 23, 2015

Originally Posted By: SHOZ
If the cop gets sued and has to pay out no way should it come from his pension. That is paid for by the taxpayer. Make him fork up his own funds for such ******tery.

Then you might as well just say that anyone mistreated by a cop is out of luck. Yeah, you have a $10 million judgment against him...but he is a turnip. (As in, you can't get blood out of one.)

SHOZ · Jul 23, 2015

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
If the cop gets sued and has to pay out no way should it come from his pension. That is paid for by the taxpayer. Make him fork up his own funds for such ******tery.

Then you might as well just say that anyone mistreated by a cop is out of luck. Yeah, you have a $10 million judgment against him...but he is a turnip. (As in, you can't get blood out of one.)

It should destroy them financially. Do you think his pension is worth $10M?

It's bad that if they are under investigation they get a paid vacation with full pay.

Nate1979 · Jul 23, 2015

Not sure what her death has to do with the story. Correlating the stop to her killing herself is a stretch. Killing herself was her choice.

eljefino · Jul 23, 2015

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
If the cop gets sued and has to pay out no way should it come from his pension. That is paid for by the taxpayer. Make him fork up his own funds for such ******tery.

Then you might as well just say that anyone mistreated by a cop is out of luck. Yeah, you have a $10 million judgment against him...but he is a turnip. (As in, you can't get blood out of one.)

The idea is the brotherhood of remaining officers suffers and would "out" the bad apple. They should tier it so the guys in the offender's precinct suffer a bit more than the department as a whole.

Benito · Jul 23, 2015

That's a very good idea.

I'd also advocate prison for the cop with some hard labor to repay his debt to society.

SHOZ · Jul 23, 2015

Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
If the cop gets sued and has to pay out no way should it come from his pension. That is paid for by the taxpayer. Make him fork up his own funds for such ******tery.

Then you might as well just say that anyone mistreated by a cop is out of luck. Yeah, you have a $10 million judgment against him...but he is a turnip. (As in, you can't get blood out of one.)

The idea is the brotherhood of remaining officers suffers and would "out" the bad apple. They should tier it so the guys in the offender's precinct suffer a bit more than the department as a whole.

The brotherhood would more than likely protect hi, Still if the pension funds pays it, it's the taxpayer and not the cop.

addyguy · Jul 23, 2015

The cop was an unprofessional bully, but, fortunately or unfortunately, he has the authority in this situation.

The refusal to follow his directions is what got her into a situation where she was arrested.

Yes sir, no sir, goes a long way with cops...doing anything other will get you in trouble, fast, no matter WHERE you are.

I liked the poster who basically said it is better to be free and alive than right.

eljefino · Jul 23, 2015

Originally Posted By: SHOZ

The brotherhood would more than likely protect hi, Still if the pension funds pays it, it's the taxpayer and not the cop.

Sure but as a taxpayer I'm cool saying, here's some money you can have in 30 years if you behave, and continually screen your coworkers/ subordinates for "insurability".

Doctors and other professionals go to great strains to avoid malpractice. Why not Johnny Law?

SHOZ · Jul 23, 2015

Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: SHOZ

The brotherhood would more than likely protect hi, Still if the pension funds pays it, it's the taxpayer and not the cop.

Sure but as a taxpayer I'm cool saying, here's some money you can have in 30 years if you behave, and continually screen your coworkers/ subordinates for "insurability".

Doctors and other professionals go to great strains to avoid malpractice. Why not Johnny Law?

Is you local pension fund fully funded? Most are 50% at best. Chicago is about to collapse over it's public pension cost. And the only legal way to fund them is through property taxes.

Garak · Jul 23, 2015

Originally Posted By: hatt
That's an extraordinary case for sure but there are plenty of cops who rack up very few complaints.

Very few is not the same as "nothing," as was in this story. Personally, I find the new story you linked fishy. A police captain is going to talk about a deputy's personnel file to a newspaper? Also, what is the retention period for complaints in that department or in that jurisdiction? I guarantee you that up here, if someone had a complaint from twenty years ago, that would have been removed from their personnel file quite some time ago due to legislative requirements.

If that were here, the captain would be looking for a new job due to discussing a personnel file. Consent is irrelevant. And some records people would have their feet held to the fire for not purging ancient records. A motorist gets a ticket 20 years ago for speeding and pays it, it automatically disappears from his record in a reasonable amount of time. The same applies to a police officer up here who's transgression was swearing at a client or using emergency lighting at an inappropriate time.

Incidentally, plenty of departments lack quotas.

grampi · Jul 23, 2015

Originally Posted By: BigJohn
I'll be the first one to behave...."Yes Sir....No Sir...." That's how I was raised.

But I will tell you..... Too many of our cops are on little ego, power trips and they quickly get out of line, when someone questions or threatens their authority.

Cops being professional, kind and accommodating are very rare....yet that behavior should be a non-negotiable for the job.

On the other side, I do feel for cops who work high crime areas, where drugs, illegal guns and violence abound. Those guys have to be on edge every minute of every day and when we see them get a little aggressive.....I completely understand.

By the way, Michael Brown was a criminal and he attacked the officer. It's a bad thing he died, but his death is the fault of horrible parenting....not an officer defending himself.

Bland was mistreated in the stop and arrest, but her death is not the fault of the officer of the police department. She could have just as easily hanged herself in her home that evening.

I highly doubt the cop would've acted the way he did had this lady been respectful and compliant...he would've had no reason to...

Failured to Signal a Lane Change, Died Days Later

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