Failured to Signal a Lane Change, Died Days Later

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Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Originally Posted By: philipp10


Seriously? He was outside the car. I think he can handle a couple second of smoke smell....until there is a law, the officer is on thin ice.



It wasn't a couple of seconds because the subject kept BSing the
trooper. He was polite about it too, again if she would have simply been civil, the chain of events would NEVER have occurred.


All you say is very true but being sassy to a cop after being pulled over for a missing lane change signal should never result in being dragged out of your car. And I will gaurantee you, had it been a white female in a rich suburb, it would have never happened. There is NO law stating I have to be courteous....
 
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Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Originally Posted By: dishdude

She might have been baiting the LEO, but he is a professional and she is a citizen that obviously wasn't mentally stable. Who do you put the burden of maintaining control of the situation on? And don't tell me the person that has the most power and can bully.


The trooper is NOT a mental health professional, nor can they be expected to be. She was aware enough to realize she was mentally stressed, and should have KNOWN better than to drive when in that condition, again she is responsible for her situation.


But they are trained to deal with people that are unstable. How many interactions do you think they have with people that are unstable vs. stable? All this guy did was escalate the situation and did nothing to try and disperse it. Yes, she should have known better and that's not how I would have reacted in the situation, but he should be prepared for that. How pathetic, a cop can't deal with a woman throwing a tantrum.
 
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Originally Posted By: philipp10


Seriously? He was outside the car. I think he can handle a couple second of smoke smell....until there is a law, the officer is on thin ice.



It wasn't a couple of seconds because the subject kept BSing the
trooper. He was polite about it too, again if she would have simply been civil, the chain of events would NEVER have occurred.


and might I add. Its NOT against any law to be sassy to a cop. It is, however, obviously pretty stupid. Now if you want cops to be able to drag people out of their car for being sassy, go to the legislature and get that law passed. Until that time, the cop is on thin ice. Or maybe you like the way they handle crime in Brazil. It never goes to court, court is on the streets with the cops shooting you at will.
 
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
He gave the subject a "lawful order" to exit the vehicle and she repeatedly refused. The entire series of events after that is the responsibility of the female subject. Including her hanging herself.


Do you REALLY think she didn't have some "help"? If so, I have a BEAUTIFUL beach house for sale cheap, about an hour south of Denver!
 
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I think all new drivers should have to watch Chris Rock's " How not to get your SSS kicked by the police".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=22&v=P2plo4FOgIU


That was stupid when it first appeared. It is not any less stupid now.

Critical words for all dealings with police: "This interaction is being recorded and saved off-site in real time."
 
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I think all new drivers should have to watch Chris Rock's " How not to get your SSS kicked by the police".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=22&v=P2plo4FOgIU


That was stupid when it first appeared. It is not any less stupid now.

Critical words for all dealings with police: "This interaction is being recorded and saved off-site in real time."


Not really. Besides the comedy , it basically it states
1. Obey the law
2. Use common sense
3. Pull over immediatly.
4. Turn the music down
5. Be polite
6. Know your passengers and what they might have on them.

Buried in the poor language and comedy are correct actions you should take.
 
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Originally Posted By: philipp10




All you say is very true but being sassy to a cop after being pulled over for a missing lane change signal should never result in being dragged out of your car.


Her sassy attitude wasn't the reason she was forcibly removed from the vehicle. It was her repeated refusal to obey a lawful order to exit the car. You. CAN'T. refuse. a. lawful. order. Not only that she also resisted his attempt to remove her after she wouldn't get out of the vehicle herself he was placing her under arrest she resisted arrest. So you have now TWO serious crimes.
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And I will gaurantee you, had it been a white female in a rich suburb, it would have never happened. There is NO law stating I have to be courteous....


Nope. I have seen a number of videos where some indulged self
serving white females have also been forcibly removed from their vehicles for doing the same actions as this women. They were in clearly affluent areas and they too had money.
 
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Originally Posted By: Kuato
Early on this was escalated by both sides, from what I saw on the video. Common courtesy goes a long way and it never should have gotten that far.

How about this:

Trooper: "Please put out the cigarette."
Ms. Bland: "Oh, sorry it bothers you, I'll put it out."
Trooper: "Thank you, here is your warning, please use your signal in the future."
Ms. Bland: "I certainly will please have a good day."

/end video



True, but wait,
I wonder how the trooper himself would have behaved if he was in the car instead?
 
Failure to signal isn't a particularly popular citation 'round here.

Uppity motorists abound, though. It's too bad she left the party early.
 
It was an unfortunate situation.

And either one of these people could have risen above the actions of the other and it would've been an uneventful outcome.
Trouble would've been avoided.

Sometimes it's better to be safe and sound than right.
 
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Her sassy attitude wasn't the reason she was forcibly removed from the vehicle. It was her repeated refusal to obey a lawful order to exit the car. You. CAN'T. refuse. a. lawful. order. Not only that she also resisted his attempt to remove her after she wouldn't get out of the vehicle herself he was placing her under arrest she resisted arrest. So you have now TWO serious crimes.

Please re-read the article. It is very clear that the trooper abuses his power. Virtually, the trooper is allowed to arrest a 28 years old woman smogs a cigarette in her own car ? When smoking a cigarette in his/her vehicle became a crime ?

There is a saying "Power Corrupts; Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely"

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The video posted by the Texas Department of Public Safety shows the trooper stopping Bland for failure to signal a lane change. After he hands her a written warning, the trooper remarks that Bland seems irritated. The Illinois woman replies that she is irritated because she had changed lanes to make way for the trooper's car.

The conversation quickly turns hostile when the officer asks Bland to put out her cigarette and she asks why she can't smoke in her own car. The trooper then orders Bland to get out of the vehicle. She refuses, and he tells her she is under arrest

The trooper, who has been on the force for just over a year, has been placed on administrative leave for violating unspecified police procedures and the Department of Public Safety's courtesy policy. The agency would not address questions about whether the trooper acted appropriately by drawing his stun gun or pulling her out of the vehicle.

"Regardless of the situation — it doesn't matter where it happens — a DPS state trooper has got an obligation to exhibit professionalism and be courteous ... and that wasn't the case in this situation," said Steven McCraw, the department director..
 
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Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR

Please re-read the article. It is very clear that the trooper abuses his power. Virtually, the trooper is allowed to arrest a 28 years old woman smogs a cigarette in her own car ? When smoking a cigarette in his/her vehicle became a crime ?


He didn't arrest her for smoking in her car, he politely asked her to put the cig out, so she would focus her attention on what the trooper was explaining to her instead of simply putting it out and being civil the women proceeded to be belligerent and uncooperative, when she refused his polite request he decided to have her exit the vehicle, she also refused to comply with a lawful order, and she resisted his attempt to arrest her. She is now facing TWO serious charges at this point. You can see that she gives him a really difficult time and thinks she will get away with it by showing the man who's boss. She was just plain stupid, and now her poor decision making ability and suicidal behavior has removed her from society.
I believe she was on illegal drugs of some kind whether that or illegally obtained pharma variety.
 
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR

Please re-read the article. It is very clear that the trooper abuses his power. Virtually, the trooper is allowed to arrest a 28 years old woman smogs a cigarette in her own car ? When smoking a cigarette in his/her vehicle became a crime ?


He didn't arrest her for smoking in her car, he politely asked her to put the cig out, so she would focus her attention on what the trooper was explaining to her instead of simply putting it out and being civil the women proceeded to be belligerent and uncooperative, when she refused his polite request he decided to have her exit the vehicle, she also refused to comply with a lawful order, and she resisted his attempt to arrest her. She is now facing TWO serious charges at this point. You can see that she gives him a really difficult time and thinks she will get away with it by showing the man who's boss. She was just plain stupid, and now her poor decision making ability and suicidal behavior has removed her from society.
I believe she was on illegal drugs of some kind whether that or illegally obtained pharma variety.


Baloney. There was no probable cause for arrest. Therefore it was a unlawful arrest. Contempt of cop is not probable cause.
 
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel

The trooper is NOT a mental health professional, nor can they be expected to be.


I expect them to know enough so they can diagnose someone having a mental health emergency (that needs hospitalization) vs just a jerk. (BTW I think the "victim" was the latter.) Similarly a cop should be able to diagnose a diabetic emergency vs alcohol intoxication; both have similar symptoms and police are often the first emergency personnel on scene.

The cop probably figured if he kept the argument going (instead of de-escalating) she'd entrap herself or tucker out and "get in line". It's like a cat that won't quite kill a mouse, he was curious what else she had to offer to amuse him. Not particularly professional of him, but not anything he could really get in trouble over.
 
You can't POLITELY demand people do things against their will. That's total nonsense. Once you start making demands it doesn't matter how nice you think you appear.
 
You don't arrest in this situation. You write a ticket for every tiny infraction you can spot, working your way from a loose battery tray all the way up. As long as she wants to talk, you keep writing.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
You don't arrest in this situation. You write a ticket for every tiny infraction you can spot, working your way from a loose battery tray all the way up. As long as she wants to talk, you keep writing.
Or take the high road and exit the situation.
 
You give a warning to people that appreciate the warning and learn from it. Those who don't get one or more tickets. Giving her a warning without writing at least the ticket for failing to signal is rewarding poor behaviour.
 
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