Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: DavesTundra
Potential for more claims, yes! But not for TSBs and recalls. That is simply an attribute of design. I don't care if 6x more F150s are out there. That doesn't mean necessarily the design is better. It is due to other factors most likely. If it were design alone, then most of us would be idiots as seen by the amount of problems these owners face (see carcomplaints.com).
But that's exactly why there would be more TSB's and recalls. Because different vehicles are used differently and the more of them you have out there, the greater the likelihood that a defect or issue is discovered that only occurs under a certain set of circumstances. Say oil field use for example, perhaps it causes a certain early failure model for a component that Ford chose to rectify via a TSB?
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Oh, and you were right, I was wrong, on the "more American" statement/claim. Want a cookie? Happy now?
Your sarcasm is unnecessary. You made a claim, I knew it was incorrect and proved that was the case. I was simply expecting you to acknowledge that fact in your next post. But you didn't, instead you changed the topic. I assumed you were simply avoiding it.
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I guess, I see the claim all the time how the Big 3 are more American. Looks like the Ford actually is. Tundra at #7 is pretty darned good, so folks should stop claiming it is some "[censored] ride POS". It is pretty darned American! My Bad!!
Of course it is. It was designed and produced in the US for the US and Canadian market, anybody with their head on at least half straight knows that. There would be no market for that vehicle in Japan or the rest of the world. Huge trucks are a North American thing.
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And, if you are turning this into a battle of me vs you, you can {
removed insult. KEEP IT CIVIL!!}. You can assume I have some agenda, I don't. Just trying to enjoy a discussion of F150 vs Tundra. That's all.
And I would argue that it was civil until you just made it otherwise with this remark.
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Seems like a lot of folks on here are so worried about winning fights...I guess I'll try to stay against the grain and have a peaceful discussion.
Some fight, but many of us, at least the ones who have been here a while, like to debate. This involves facts, logic, and considering the opposition's viewpoint. It doesn't involve cursing and swearing (though I think most of us are guilty of succumbing to getting genuinely frustrated about topics we are particularly passionate about).
Hopefully this discussion can continue in a civil manner.
-Chris
Enough users of all kinds of uses have occurred on the vehicles that have been out for a few years now. There is enough data. The flaws have been exposed...on all vehicles. The fact that there are sooooo many Fords being used, doesn't negate the fact that there are many issues on them. Same with the Tundra. Just noticed, more issues with the Ford. I am not expert enough to decide the severity of all of these TSB/Recall/Complaints. And, as the saying goes, "aint nobody got time fo dat". I also don't have time for my truck to be sitting in the shop for repairs. So, I decided to get a Tundra, for my needs. FWIW, I don't drive in an oil field. Something tells me that most of the truck users out there don't drive in them either.
For those that do drive in oil fields, maybe they see Ford and RAM a lot because that is what the company buys and has contracts with. Doesn't mean others aren't capable, necessarily. I don't know. In addition, maybe these workers are using the HD version of the trucks, gasoline and diesels. Maybe they aren't all 1/2 tons...which would help explain the reason to contract with a mfg who has 3/4 ton and 1 ton options. And I they had these contracts, they most certainly would also buy the 1/2 ton varieties when the HD versions weren't needed. Makes sense, economically. But I don't know, just speculation on my part. Because, again, I don't work in an oil field.
