A very interesting article.
Pretty tough call. Neither are true fighter jets. Their mostly point-and-shoot (air to air) and get away fast.
They both probably have similar sensor and fusion technology since both are Lockheed Martin planes. Even though the F-22 is older tech, it has a continuous modernization program (like all fighters) that upgrades hardware and software as needed to keep it more upto date. As far as stealthiness, the F-35 might have an edge due to size. I think a BVR engagement advantage would basically come down to the stealth factor between the two. It could be so close that it comes down to pilot skill of being completely tuned in and one with the plane.I wonder how BVR an F-22 vs F-35 fight is...
Yep, up close and personal. The F4 didn't need a gun neither in Viet Nam.Have you seen an F-22 in person? It is a first rate dogfighter when needed. It shouldn’t get to that point, but modern air combat is almost alway BVR.
Yep, up close and personal. The F4 didn't need a gun neither in Viet Nam.
What's that supposed to mean. Both aircraft have guns.Yep, up close and personal. The F4 didn't need a gun neither in Viet Nam.
What's that supposed to mean. Both aircraft have guns.
I'm not so sure of that. @Astro14 would you say modern air combat is almost always BVR?Have you seen an F-22 in person? It is a first rate dogfighter when needed. It shouldn’t get to that point, but modern air combat is almost alway BVR.
Let's leave missiles out of it and go guns only. I'll take the F-22 and you can have ANY other fighter ever in service, anywhere in the world.Pretty tough call. Neither are true fighter jets. Their mostly point-and-shoot (air to air) and get away fast.
What!?Pretty tough call. Neither are true fighter jets. Their mostly point-and-shoot (air to air) and get away fast.
What!?
Have you ever seen an F-22 fly?
Climb rate, turn performance, high alpha maneuvering, thrust/weight, acceleration.
It crushes every other fighter on the market in every single one of those performance areas. It makes the F-15 look slow and clumsy by comparison.
The F-22 was built, among other things, to be the world’s best dog-fight platform.
It succeeded.
Stealth is relative depending on technology, and what can be seen by the ground stuff is different than what can be seen from the cockpit. BVR is ideal of course because something like an F-22 could smoke something before the other guy even knows he's around. That guy would only get an indication of an incoming missile at some point, and have to scramble to avoid being blown out of the air.With stealth vs. stealth, VR combat should theoretically make a comeback, if true. But I'm thinking about most recent (past 30 years) kills have not been mostly BVR. But I could be wrong.
My thought is that you'd better be 100% sure of what you are shooting at if you go BVR. I doubt it is always that easy.
Stealth is relative depending on technology, and what can be seen by the ground stuff is different than what can be seen from the cockpit. BVR is ideal of course because something like an F-22 could smoke something before the other guy even knows he's around. That guy would only get an indication of an incoming missile at some point, and have to scramble to avoid being blown out of the air.
Watching it almost just “snap” into position or seemingly “drift” mid air when they perform a high speed maneuver is mesmerizing.What!?
Have you ever seen an F-22 fly?
Climb rate, turn performance, high alpha maneuvering, thrust/weight, acceleration.
It crushes every other fighter on the market in every single one of those performance areas. It makes the F-15 look slow and clumsy by comparison.
The F-22 was built, among other things, to be the world’s best dog-fight platform.
It succeeded.