Ever been disrespected by relatives re:their POS?

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Originally Posted By: Kestas
Been there. Ditto to all the above posts. Now I've cut my favors down to family members that deserve and appreciate it.


Ive gone ahead and become unavailable to those to whom I was a meal ticket.

Though your intentions are good, you are like Dinner: Nobody can tell you what they had last month for dinner. Its the same with people.

Basically.. **** em. And yes, i typed four asterisks, and not an F-Bomb.
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I enjoy seeing ............ vehicles I CAN fix.. but wont.. because they wont pay me.
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What irks me is that these people rarely ever have the attitude of "I'd rather pay you than some shop who may be ripping me off". We never get paid what our skills are worth. They ask for your services because they're cheap and know they can take advantage of your helpful nature.

Another side of this coin is our helpful nature. We're good samaritans who also like to show off our skills. This is what people take advantage of. With exception, I've learned to put a stop to this side of me.
 
I like to help people. Two examples.

Example A

In 2004 a friend of mine wanted to buy a car. She wanted a Saturn. So we went to a Saturn dealer and she didn't qualify to finance a new Saturn ION sedan for $14300, but they offered her a 2001 Neon instead for $10900. She didn't like the way it drove, and I wasn't thrilled with the price (most 01 Neons at the time were 7500-9000 comaprable miles/condition), so we went by a few used car only lots that I'm familiar with. One of them had a pair of 2000 model Saturn SL sedans. The blue one had over 100K miles and the bumpers were all scratched up, the interior was dirty, and it was all dusty under the hood. But the silver one had about 80K on it and was clean inside, out, and under the hood. We both test drove the silver one and it had two problems. One, there was a tire wobble prominent on right turns and when braking. I assumed LF tire had a bubble (it did). Also, the steering would lock up when returning from full right lock. The lot's mechanic looked at it and said the rack was binding and he could put one in, swap the bad tire, and it would be ready in 2 days. So 2 days later we returned, retested the car, it was all good. She drove it for 17K miles (about a year) and then the battery exploded. It was the original battery and I wasn't maintaining the car (her boyfriend was). She got scared of the car and stopped making payments. I took her to a Nissan dealer and she bought a new Sentra with her improved credit rating and still has the car to this day. As far as the Saturn goes, I took the car off her hands, replaced the battery, replaced the positive cable, and drove it for a couple of months before it was repossessed because she wasn't forwarding my payments to the car lot (I lived 2 hours away so I just PayPal'd her the money). So that's how I got repaid for my help. She took my money, and I was out $75 a week for 2 months. But I did get some use out of the car, 40mpg is great when you're doing courier deliveries.

Example B

Our babysitter's boyfriend dropped his laptop and his hard drive stopped working. So she asked me if I could replace the drive. I had a need for an external 2.5" enclosure to get some pictures off an old laptop hard drive I had, so I told them to go buy a cheap 250GB or 320GB portable hard drive, and I would take the drive out, put it in the laptop, reinstall Windows, and then keep the enclosure as payment for my services. They agreed, excitedly even, and 2 days later I was making the swap. Well, they neglected to inform me that their Windows was a 3-PC upgrade copy and they had already used the code 3 times. So they had no OS to put on it. I offered to put on Ubuntu 10.10. Worked perfectly. Then he complains that he can't play WoW on it. So I look up some solutions and workarounds and get that installed for him to where it runs the game just fine. Now he's complaining that his other PC games don't work and he wants me to install all 14 of them. I sent him to ubuntuforums.org and told him to figure it out himself.

*edit* also last year I paid over the phone with a CC for a brake line to be replaced when he was down in Corpus on vacation so he and our babysitter could make it back up here to work. I never got paid back for the brake job. His daddy bought his last round of tires. He wired the stereo up so badly that I had to rewire half the fusebox when it smoked out. And then he went and spent money he "didn't have" on black paint for his wheels and a stupid racy spoiler which he also painted black. On a blue car. I'm not helping this boy anymore until he grows up.
 
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Occupant, you paint such a wonderful picture of the people you know. Stop making payments because you decide you don't like it?
 
Originally Posted By: occupant
And then he went and spent money he "didn't have" on black paint for his wheels and a stupid racy spoiler which he also painted black. On a blue car. I'm not helping this boy anymore until he grows up.


I love rants like this... my neighbor was putting in for fuel oil assistance because she's "broke" but has money for illegal fireworks to shoot off in the woods between our houses.
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I take the "mirror philosophy" on this one:

If you care, I care.
If you don't care, I don't care.

This works in many levels of my life.

I work on various projects for others that care enough to worry and work on my projects. Help begets help, in other words. This limits who I say yes to and I know they appreciate it.
 
Only about two weeks passed in that time. It was the one time I did set foot back on that car lot, to watch her hand them the $150 to catch up, that I gave her to take the car. She was initially going to voluntarily repo it by having AAA tow it to them (with the exploded battery it couldn't possibly start) but I wanted the car since I knew it ran well, had the rack replaced, only needed the battery and some cleanup around it, and was a 40mpg car.

Our agreement was for me to make the payments for a month or two to her, and she would pay them, and by that time I would have the additional $600 needed to pay TT&L to transfer the note to my name. I had the money at that point plus some, but since they ended up picking up the car, they wanted to sell it to me for the same $1000 down and $75 a week for a 18 months. Which would be like starting over, which would be stupid. I said, "what if I pay the repo fee ($450) and the $600 in missing payments ($1050, of which I had $800 on me and I could have had the other $250 the next day), bring back the TT&L money (another $600) in a couple weeks, and take up the payments from there?" They said, no, you can buy out the note, but you're paying the interest too, all payments, plus the repo fees, one lump sum, no payments because she defaulted on the contract. I didn't have 3K to drop on a car, so I picked up my tools out of the trunk and my Nextel charger out of the lighter socket and walked away.

On the way home I spotted a clean 1997 Intrepid for $800 and proceeded to spend another $700 fixing blown head gaskets and I was good to go just in time to quit driving for the courier service. Shortly thereafter I sold the Intrepid to a friend (for the $1500 I had in it) who still has it to this day (but we never talk, she just still has it, because it's in the background of the pictures she posts on Facebook when she goes out to clubs with her friends...I'm only assuming it doesn't have problems because unlike every other aspect of her life, she doesn't complain about that car on her FB page)

What I should have done was send the payments as money orders to the note lot myself through the mail, with her name on the return address, until I had the $600 to get the transfer done.

But I was younger and stupider and she was an old friend who I trusted and did so stupidly. At least I was only out about $750 or so for 2 months of transportation. It could have been much worse. This friend has since had a couple kids, got married, had another kid, and went vegan and pro-choice and a bunch of other nonsense. Typical soccer mom type now, you'd never know she was the same person as before. But given another chance, I think she'd do the same thing, and I hope that mean streak doesn't come out in her marriage or that won't last long at all.
 
Ha haa... you guys just think this business with cars is bad... try computers!

People don't seem to understand that software costs money, and that computer hardware older than say... 5 years is hard to deal with these days, due to incompatible drivers, non-existent drivers, etc...

"What do you mean when you say my Pentium II with 256 megs of ram can't really connect to the internet?"
 
Originally Posted By: mark pruett
Ha haa... you guys just think this business with cars is bad... try computers!

People don't seem to understand that software costs money, and that computer hardware older than say... 5 years is hard to deal with these days, due to incompatible drivers, non-existent drivers, etc...

"What do you mean when you say my Pentium II with 256 megs of ram can't really connect to the internet?"

BAH! Wires go in, stuff shows up on the screen. Just like my television. How much difference can there really be?






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This happens in alot of service professions.

I have a DDS friend who I exchange repair services with for dental care. A GM 3800 engine upper and lower gasket replacement and water pump for a root canal and crown.

But he, too, talks about how family members expect free dental care from him. He says, it costs him money to run his office and pay all the costs involved but some relatives somehow think he should be obliged to do stuff for free.

These kinds of situations can be tricky. You really don't want to offend family but on the other hand you have to set boundaries or people will just use you like a cheap mule.
 
Originally Posted By: occupant

This friend has since had a couple kids, got married, had another kid, and went vegan and pro-choice and a bunch of other nonsense.


Getting married and having kids may not be for everyone but it isn't nonsense.
 
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I only help those who would take the "whole thing", no cherry picking one or two of what I offer.

They don't follow? I stop helping. I still tell them if they want technical opinion but that's it, no "going over to replace parts" or half s job. I don't want to get blamed for those "I told you so" incidents.
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
I only help those who would take the "whole thing", no cherry picking one or two of what I offer.

They don't follow? I stop helping. I still tell them if they want technical opinion but that's it, no "going over to replace parts" or half s job. I don't want to get blamed for those "I told you so" incidents.


+1 This is doing tech support for my Dad. "help help it's broken" "ooh I want to watch ooh let me do that".
 
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