And never leave home?
EV charging example costs more than it would to fill up a premium fuel car
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And never leave home?
Why would anyone do that? If they want to go on a trip with their EV they would simply charge at public stations unless they’re in an area that isn’t well covered, in which case they wouldn’t be driving an EV anyway.
My drive from central Montana to Seattle this week would have been a pain in an EV. 700 miles would have taken us away longer than 11 hours.
Yeah, would have been a lot more time stopping than we had to do. Also, I notice that one of the stops listed on that map is in a one horse town. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a huge line or it was out of commission.
We had one stop 5 minute stop for gas and hit a couple of rest stops for potty breaks.
No doubt fueling these cars is different. But you learn. I would not say EVs are as good as ICE for tripping, but I would say it is not what many seem to think.
Most overthink it. Some think it's more difficult to plan for. I like efficient stops, so I tend to reduce my stops where I'm doing more at that said stop. I've never waited more than a couple minutes extra to get a charge after completing the rest of my tasks.
The biggest benefit to me is how little I use public charging. I spend a lot less time charging the Tesla than I do putting gas in the VW. There are days I question why it hasn't been traded for an EV yet.
My guess is, this is the majority of owner's experience, as long as you can charge at home. How often do people drive over 150 miles in a day? I think the average is like 40 miles per day.
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That's what the other marques do, the battery is limited for both minimum and maximum charge, so "100%" is really like 85 or 90%, you can't actually charge it to 100, and you can't fully discharge it either.
Yeah, some limit further than others. No one gives you the full battery. Porsche seems to take it pretty far by giving a big limiter. There's space above 100% and below 0% we'll never be able to use just for battery preservation and for longevity I'm fine with that. We'd get a lot worse battery warranties otherwise.
I imagine that some of this will trend down once competition is more prevalent. Right now you have to take what you can get if you go on a road trip, unfortunately.
At my work level II charging is free. 20 chargers.
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Maybe fast forward 20 years and things will be better, if things aren’t going backwards. I don’t have anywhere near that long to drive. The plug in hybrid option would be perfect for me and many people.
I think you're right. The chargers in greater Vancouver are only about 3X the home rate, and much much cheaper than in outlying areas. You have to think that's the result of competition.
Also Tesla wants to sell vehicles. They've sold a lot of them in Vancouver so there could be bit of the left hand helping the right hand.
Your charging need is not 60% of your battery on every single EV, but rather how many miles you drive daily. Sure you will have days you need more than the others, but that's what the charging network outside your home is for.
If you drive 2 cars 40 miles total every day, you will typically need 40miles of charging (mix between 2 cars, 1 car only, whatever) over 7 hours of lowest rate at midnight - 7am. If you need more you can probably start charging at 9pm-12am for a bit more. If you need even more you can charge at work using the network there at a higher cost (or free if it is an employee benefit).
Most family would likely start with just 1 EV, then only add more if they get comfortable knowing it works for them.
Fundamentally, PHEV would be the most flexible option for most people if they want to pay for the extra components on their cars. Having a large battery vs small battery + small engine vs tiny battery + small engine is something that gives you better or worst return on investment depends on how you drive.
Short range daily commute: gas car so you don't need to pay a premium on electric.
Medium range daily commute: EV, and you can save money on gas with home charging. If your math is right your battery depreciation over 15 years will still come out ahead over a gas car.
Semi long range daily commute: PHEV, so you use mostly electric but you don't need to buy too much battery range. You likely will have a good ROI on your battery + some extra gas cost, but since EV isn't good enough for you this will be a better choice than a regular hybrid.
Long range daily (uber, courier, etc): forget about EV or PHEV, you are getting at least 1 tank a day and just go ahead with a regular hybrid. EV range and kwh vs gas is a rounding error in your equation. Get a Prius.
Regardless of what you buy, buy a reputable brand so you don't get premature failure from a company that's iffy (Hyundai? Nissan?)
You use the DCFC on trips.
I used ABRP, or, Abetterrouteplanner.com and plotted a route from Stanford, MT to Seattle which worked out to be 709 miles, so pretty close. Vehicle used was a Chevrolet Equinox AWD which I believe has right around 300 miles of EPA range, I assumed the AWD version because Central Montana. Assuming you left home with a 100% state of charge, you would spend 1 hour and 32 minutes charging along the way. I don't know how much you spent on your trip stopped for gas, bathroom, food, etc, but subtract that from 1 hour and 32 minutes to get a number as to how much longer an EV would take. Being an EV owner, we try to plan meal and bathroom breaks around the charging stops as to minimize additional stops, since you're stopping more often anyway. Of course, if you have little ones, it's not always going to be so convenient, but that would be true for an ICE vehicle as well.
There is an Electrify America in Great Falls, so if you didn't want to be speed limited on the first leg to 75MPH, you could stop for 10 minutes in Great Falls. Or you could just go full send and drive normally, the ABRP calculations are usually pretty conservative, and the stated arrival was with 7%, so you would have a few percentage to chew on, and then the battery buffer past 0%. Another option is just to do route calculations without allowing for slower speeds, that is another option in ABRP, in that case, it would probably plot out the Great Falls stop. Don't know, didn't try.
I did not tell ABRP that this vehicle possessed the Tesla adapter, if you did have one, you might be able to further optimize the route. I didn't model that. That said you would probably want to buy a Tesla adapter for a long trip, I have seen them as low as $168 with discount code.
What you've just described sounds like a prison to me.
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