Europen car maint cost

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Originally Posted by madRiver
Originally Posted by honeeagle
got a quote for the starter assembly (whatever that is) for my smart - $800.00 ,its starting to sound a little phart canny so Iasked how much is a muffler assembly?
$700 .00
imports are stupid


Yes aSmart is a stupid car to buy.


I know but its the only car in the world that fits legally on the truck :-)
 
Ford sort of makes a point of making its vehicles low maintenance. My guess is that the excellent Ford Quicklane service is not particularly a strategy of the company. They just have a smart guy running it.

When I had the BMW, the alternator was cheaper than that for my wife's Crown Vic. There didn't seem to be a lot of rhyme or reason to BMW repair costs. The mechanics were always well-traini though.
 
Originally Posted by UncleDave
BMW won't turn and re-pad but will only rotor replace.

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Actually they will. It's a new thing. Dealers now have the equipment to turn rotors with them still on the hub.
 
Originally Posted by Camprunner
My sister and I purchased new/used cars several months ago at the same time I bought a 2017 Lincoln MKZ loaded with only 6,000 miles it is a Lincoln CPO car so it comes with a 6 year 100,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty. My sister bought a new/used BMW 5 series 2017 with 8,000 miles it came with the remainder of the factory warranty.

Now for the maintenance costs I bring my Lincoln in to my local Lincoln dealer and it cost me between $24.95 for an oil change or around $45.00 for oil, tire rotation and 15 point inspection. My sister takes her BMW in and it's $145.00 for oil change and tire rotation! They also informed her it would cost $1,700.00 to replace the front brakes when it comes time! Now I don't know what it will cost me to replace my front brakes on my Lincoln MKZ but I know it will not cost even close to that!

Are all Europen cars so much more to fix or is it just the dealers that charge so much?


BMW is marketed as a luxury brand so that is baked into the price. BMW demands a lot from the dealers so they will upcharge to the max when possible. BMW parts aren't always more expensive than the domestics/asian brands.

$1700 for front brake is a little high. IIRC it's about 1 hr labor per side ($150-$200/hr) then rotors and pad. Here's the BS part. There's no reason why your sister needs new brakes at 8k miles. I have over 45k miles on my factory brakes.
 
A pair of brakes, pads and rotors at my independent for regular cars runs around $325 for a pair, or $650 for both front and back. Typically front and back brakes wear at different intervals.
 
Originally Posted by fdcg27
Make one hard stop from a hundred or so in both vehicles and you'll understand why BMW brakes are a little more costly to service than Ford brakes.
Not $1700.00, though.


I betcha that an extremely small percentage of this board's posters have ever made a hard stop at 100MPH, much less on two different cars for comparison purposes.

Extremely small.
 
Originally Posted by SeaJay
A pair of brakes, pads and rotors at my independent for regular cars runs around $325 for a pair, or $650 for both front and back. Typically front and back brakes wear at different intervals.


Being that the OP's model is relatively new (2017) there's a limit amount of aftermarket parts available but I was able to cobble together a price of approx $650 for OE pads, rotor, sensor for the front brakes. Add 2 hrs labor ($400) and we're at ~$1100 all-in.

In any case I can't see why a vehicle with 8k miles on it would need new front brakes. Thank god I don't live in MA.
 
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Originally Posted by SeaJay


I betcha that an extremely small percentage of this board's posters have ever made a hard stop at 100MPH, much less on two different cars for comparison purposes.

Extremely small.


That would be me...
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Originally Posted by MCompact
Originally Posted by SeaJay


I betcha that an extremely small percentage of this board's posters have ever made a hard stop at 100MPH, much less on two different cars for comparison purposes.

Extremely small.


That would be me...
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If hard is coming off the straight at Homestead at 150 mph and braking radically into the infield raceway hairpin, then I did it. About 20 times!
 
Originally Posted by Camprunner
My sister and I purchased new/used cars several months ago at the same time I bought a 2017 Lincoln MKZ loaded with only 6,000 miles it is a Lincoln CPO car so it comes with a 6 year 100,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty. My sister bought a new/used BMW 5 series 2017 with 8,000 miles it came with the remainder of the factory warranty.

Now for the maintenance costs I bring my Lincoln in to my local Lincoln dealer and it cost me between $24.95 for an oil change or around $45.00 for oil, tire rotation and 15 point inspection. My sister takes her BMW in and it's $145.00 for oil change and tire rotation! They also informed her it would cost $1,700.00 to replace the front brakes when it comes time! Now I don't know what it will cost me to replace my front brakes on my Lincoln MKZ but I know it will not cost even close to that!

Are all Europen cars so much more to fix or is it just the dealers that charge so much?


Just remember her full service $145 "oil change" will prob only be every 15k miles, it appears yours will be every 7.5k so you need to double your # to compare accurately. Assuming she gets one last free one right at 36k even she will end up paying $618 for oil changes to 100k miles vs your $558 (@ $45 per 7.5k miles) and she will be at the dealer 6 less routine visits than you (~12 for the Lincoln and ~6 for the BMW).

Also would like to just point out the MKZ is not much more than a gussied up Ford Fusion, so you are driving a car whose platform can be purchased for low 20's brand new in Fusion SE guise. The 5 was engineered and built as a sport luxury sedan, your MKZ started out life as an appeal to the masses basic family sedan.
 
Originally Posted by pezzy669
Originally Posted by Camprunner
My sister and I purchased new/used cars several months ago at the same time I bought a 2017 Lincoln MKZ loaded with only 6,000 miles it is a Lincoln CPO car so it comes with a 6 year 100,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty. My sister bought a new/used BMW 5 series 2017 with 8,000 miles it came with the remainder of the factory warranty.

Now for the maintenance costs I bring my Lincoln in to my local Lincoln dealer and it cost me between $24.95 for an oil change or around $45.00 for oil, tire rotation and 15 point inspection. My sister takes her BMW in and it's $145.00 for oil change and tire rotation! They also informed her it would cost $1,700.00 to replace the front brakes when it comes time! Now I don't know what it will cost me to replace my front brakes on my Lincoln MKZ but I know it will not cost even close to that!

Are all Europen cars so much more to fix or is it just the dealers that charge so much?


Just remember her full service $145 "oil change" will prob only be every 15k miles, it appears yours will be every 7.5k so you need to double your # to compare accurately. Assuming she gets one last free one right at 36k even she will end up paying $618 for oil changes to 100k miles vs your $558 (@ $45 per 7.5k miles) and she will be at the dealer 6 less routine visits than you (~12 for the Lincoln and ~6 for the BMW).

Also would like to just point out the MKZ is not much more than a gussied up Ford Fusion, so you are driving a car whose platform can be purchased for low 20's brand new in Fusion SE guise. The 5 was engineered and built as a sport luxury sedan, your MKZ started out life as an appeal to the masses basic family sedan.





Just a FYI BMW did away with free scheduled maintenance and OCI's are now 10k miles.
 
Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl


Just a FYI BMW did away with free scheduled maintenance and OCI's are now 10k miles.


As I understand it the free maintenance was reduced to 3 years/36,000 miles. It is no longer transferable to a subsequent owner and no longer covers consumables(brakes, clutch, wipers).
 
They aren't expensive if you do your research or can DIY. If you go to the dealer for everything, then yes, they will be expensive just like anything else.
 
Originally Posted by MCompact
Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl


Just a FYI BMW did away with free scheduled maintenance and OCI's are now 10k miles.


As I understand it the free maintenance was reduced to 3 years/36,000 miles. It is no longer transferable to a subsequent owner and no longer covers consumables(brakes, clutch, wipers).


..[censored]. Perhaps they were thinking about doing away with it and just reduced it instead. I can't remember now.
 
PCCBs on my Porsche work better than those on our GMC.
The GMC hauls more lumber and consumes more fuel.
Weekends vs workaday. It all evens out on my balance sheet.
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Pay your money and make your choices,

718 PCCB.webp
 
Just had a Cadillac XTS for a few days as a rental - Enterprise didn't have the convertible I wanted, which was annoying but another story.

The brakes stopped the car, but were terrible. No feel, no confidence. Not a fan of the transmission either. It's sort of freakish how fast it spins the engine up to 4500.

The ATE system on my 11 year 335 feels so much better. And the old 6 speed and turbos are far less dramatic. Better MPGs in the Caddy, however.
 
Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
Originally Posted by MCompact
Originally Posted by SeaJay


I betcha that an extremely small percentage of this board's posters have ever made a hard stop at 100MPH, much less on two different cars for comparison purposes.

Extremely small.


That would be me...
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And another...
 
Originally Posted by 02SE
Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
Originally Posted by MCompact
Originally Posted by SeaJay


I betcha that an extremely small percentage of this board's posters have ever made a hard stop at 100MPH, much less on two different cars for comparison purposes.

Extremely small.


That would be me...
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dtto


And another...



You and the others must be the folks posting in that other topic that 30 or 40 MPH over the speed limit is all in a day's drive.
 
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