EU may limit all cars to 70MPH??

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Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
I am sorry but how is that anything but responding to a comment made by the other member who said going 55 was miserable? I wasn't attacking anyone just making a comment that you have to be someone who routinely goes fast on the highway to find 55 miserable. IF you already go 60-65 like I do would going back to 55 really be miserable? I apologize if it came across like an attack. Was just made as a matter of fact type statement.


For me, 55mph again would be miserable. I couldn't even imagine having to go that slow over long distances, especially in any of my cars. I don't care about the gas mileage, literally I tried 55 in my new Mustang and it went from 14.5 to 15mpg, so it's not worth trying.
 
I think it's a fundamental difference in how someone views driving. I enjoy driving, even just my commute to work and back I enjoy. People that view driving as a necessity really can't stand people like me that actually derive some messed up sort of pleasure from the experience.
 
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I think it's a fundamental difference in how someone views driving. I enjoy driving, even just my commute to work and back I enjoy. People that view driving as a necessity really can't stand people like me that actually derive some messed up sort of pleasure from the experience.


I enjoy driving as well. I also used to drag race. Always on the track though.
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I don't see how enjoying driving has anything to do with how fast you go?
 
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Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
I am sorry but how is that anything but responding to a comment made by the other member who said going 55 was miserable? I wasn't attacking anyone just making a comment that you have to be someone who routinely goes fast on the highway to find 55 miserable. IF you already go 60-65 like I do would going back to 55 really be miserable? I apologize if it came across like an attack. Was just made as a matter of fact type statement.


For me, 55mph again would be miserable. I couldn't even imagine having to go that slow over long distances, especially in any of my cars. I don't care about the gas mileage, literally I tried 55 in my new Mustang and it went from 14.5 to 15mpg, so it's not worth trying.


As I said, if 55 was the set limit most Police will allow 5-10MPH over so you in effect have 60-65.

As to MPG. If I go 70 MPH in my Jeep( I went that fast back in March coming home from NY trying to stay ahead of a snow storm - not my norm )I only see about 25-26 MPG but if I go 60 I can see 30. 55-60 is most fuel efficient highway speed for most vehicles.
 
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Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
I am sorry but how is that anything but responding to a comment made by the other member who said going 55 was miserable? I wasn't attacking anyone just making a comment that you have to be someone who routinely goes fast on the highway to find 55 miserable. IF you already go 60-65 like I do would going back to 55 really be miserable? I apologize if it came across like an attack. Was just made as a matter of fact type statement.


For me, 55mph again would be miserable. I couldn't even imagine having to go that slow over long distances, especially in any of my cars. I don't care about the gas mileage, literally I tried 55 in my new Mustang and it went from 14.5 to 15mpg, so it's not worth trying.


As I said, if 55 was the set limit most Police will allow 5-10MPH over so you in effect have 60-65.

As to MPG. If I go 70 MPH in my Jeep( I went that fast back in March coming home from NY trying to stay ahead of a snow storm - not my norm )I only see about 25-26 MPG but if I go 60 I can see 30. 55-60 is most fuel efficient highway speed for most vehicles.


65 is perfectly adequate in places that already are 55, because they tend to be higher traffic areas, like around NYC, in and around Albany, Rochester, etc. Busy places with more traffic. But on an open road like 90? I think 70-75 is perfectly reasonable. On my daily commute the limit is 65 in half, and 55 in the other half I do 78 in the 65, and 69 in the 55. That is also pretty much the flow of traffic around here, and the troopers also usually won't pull most people over until they hit 15/16 over.

And for me, on long trips it would be miserable as well. Who are you to tell people that they should slow down because they will use less gas? And FWIW on my focus the difference between 65 and 75 in terms of gas mileage, is like 2mpg in practice. I've done it. And in fact, on the way back from Ohio, I made a post about this, doing 75 with the windows down I did 42mpg!

Do you feel that jetliners travel too fast and we should go back to prop planes? Because planes don't need to go 500mph, they should only go 150mph because people don't NEED to get places sooner. :|
 
Originally Posted By: hypervish
If you tried going 55mph in NJ, you'd get run off the road!


Having recently drive a fairly decent amount in NJ, if you drive less than 75 you are going to get run off the road. :P
 
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: Nick R


55 is sensible? Not a chance. Personally I think speed limits should go up. 75/70 in more open aareas, 60-65 in more populated, urban area highways. Texas has the right idea, with 80 and 85mph speed limits.

Have you ever driven the NYS thruway? It's long, it's flat, it's straight. Heck even I-88 is very open. And you want the SL to be 55? Why? 65 is already slow enough. I commute every day 60 miles highway, and I don't want the speed limit lowered any further, I already spend too much of my day in the car.

Since 55 is sensible, why not go further? 45? 35. I'm sure that would save loads of lives if they lowered it and enforced it.

Let's be reasonable, speed alone doesn't kill. Someone who is going to get in an accident at 75 is not much less likely to get in one at 55. Instead of trying to force people to slow down, why don't we focus on trying to make people better drivers/more aware of their surroundings?

It's wrongly assuming that driving faster is automatically much more dangerous.


Yes, 55 is very sensible with most Police allowing a 5-10 MPH cushion above that before tickets are issued so in effect 55 would be 60-65.

70-75 would result in people going 90+. No way.

Yes, I have driven the NY State Thruway many times. 55 is more than reasonable there with people going that extra 5-10 MPH as I said.

I disagree that speed isn't a big factor in accidents. People go way too fast and it absolutely makes it more likely they will get into an accident either through lack of driving skill or decreased reaction time. 55( with 60-65 being the max allowed )is plenty fast for the highways. IMOA.

If you are spending too much time in the car going to work move or get a closer job. No one forces you to commute that far. While I realize that is easier said than done, again, you made the choice to commute that far so you have to deal with it.

I am also in favor of lower the speed limits to help conserve fuel too. The amount of fuel wasted in this country by people going 75, 80, 85+ is mind blowing.

People can disagree. Just voicing my opinion. I just wish people would lay off the "you haven't driven here" or "you obviously haven't done...." stuff. Just because I don't agree that people need to go 70 MPH+ on the highway does not mean I haven't driven in a lot of different places and/or long distance.

FWIW I will be driving from NH to VA next week. I will set my CC @ 60 MPH out on the highway. I will get to my destination only an hour later than if I went 70 MPH, I won't grow old and qualify for Social Security on the way, and I will get optimum MPG from my vehicle. No reason to go faster.


I see we have somebody who would never fit in with driving in Germany, LOL!!!

I love driving fast and I'm not afraid to admit that. And while I don't drive the Expedition much more than 120-130Km/H (depending on road conditions, traffic....etc), the M5, like all cars of its calibre (like SteveSRT8's car) is more than happy to eat up the miles at speeds well over 100Mph and still feel like you are doing 60. When I drove to NC and going through the switchbacks in WV I was having a LOT of fun in those 55Mph corners. I'm not going to say any more on that, LOL
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Driver training in North America, lack of respect and on-road discipline are our biggest issues, not speed. 55Mph is still dangerous if there is 1ft of snow on the ground and zero visibility, but you know there will be some clown in a Yukon in 4-HIGH doing just that, endangering the lives of those around him. The drivers are the problem, not the speed.
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
I am sorry but how is that anything but responding to a comment made by the other member who said going 55 was miserable? I wasn't attacking anyone just making a comment that you have to be someone who routinely goes fast on the highway to find 55 miserable. IF you already go 60-65 like I do would going back to 55 really be miserable? I apologize if it came across like an attack. Was just made as a matter of fact type statement.


For me, 55mph again would be miserable. I couldn't even imagine having to go that slow over long distances, especially in any of my cars. I don't care about the gas mileage, literally I tried 55 in my new Mustang and it went from 14.5 to 15mpg, so it's not worth trying.


As I said, if 55 was the set limit most Police will allow 5-10MPH over so you in effect have 60-65.

As to MPG. If I go 70 MPH in my Jeep( I went that fast back in March coming home from NY trying to stay ahead of a snow storm - not my norm )I only see about 25-26 MPG but if I go 60 I can see 30. 55-60 is most fuel efficient highway speed for most vehicles.


65 is perfectly adequate in places that already are 55, because they tend to be higher traffic areas, like around NYC, in and around Albany, Rochester, etc. Busy places with more traffic. But on an open road like 90? I think 70-75 is perfectly reasonable. On my daily commute the limit is 65 in half, and 55 in the other half I do 78 in the 65, and 69 in the 55. That is also pretty much the flow of traffic around here, and the troopers also usually won't pull most people over until they hit 15/16 over.

And for me, on long trips it would be miserable as well. Who are you to tell people that they should slow down because they will use less gas? And FWIW on my focus the difference between 65 and 75 in terms of gas mileage, is like 2mpg in practice. I've done it. And in fact, on the way back from Ohio, I made a post about this, doing 75 with the windows down I did 42mpg!

Do you feel that jetliners travel too fast and we should go back to prop planes? Because planes don't need to go 500mph, they should only go 150mph because people don't NEED to get places sooner. :|


Chill man. I simply stated that driving slower uses less fuel and we could use that, on the whole, in this day and age. If every person slowed down and saved "just" 2MPG imagine how much fuel would be saved. All I am saying. I never specifically said you or anyone else should slow down and use less gas. I did show how much I save by going slower but how is that telling you or anyone else what to do? Wow.

Equating jets to cars is ridiculous. If you are going to be like that I am done discussing it with you.
 
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Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: Nick R


55 is sensible? Not a chance. Personally I think speed limits should go up. 75/70 in more open aareas, 60-65 in more populated, urban area highways. Texas has the right idea, with 80 and 85mph speed limits.

Have you ever driven the NYS thruway? It's long, it's flat, it's straight. Heck even I-88 is very open. And you want the SL to be 55? Why? 65 is already slow enough. I commute every day 60 miles highway, and I don't want the speed limit lowered any further, I already spend too much of my day in the car.

Since 55 is sensible, why not go further? 45? 35. I'm sure that would save loads of lives if they lowered it and enforced it.

Let's be reasonable, speed alone doesn't kill. Someone who is going to get in an accident at 75 is not much less likely to get in one at 55. Instead of trying to force people to slow down, why don't we focus on trying to make people better drivers/more aware of their surroundings?

It's wrongly assuming that driving faster is automatically much more dangerous.


Yes, 55 is very sensible with most Police allowing a 5-10 MPH cushion above that before tickets are issued so in effect 55 would be 60-65.

70-75 would result in people going 90+. No way.

Yes, I have driven the NY State Thruway many times. 55 is more than reasonable there with people going that extra 5-10 MPH as I said.

I disagree that speed isn't a big factor in accidents. People go way too fast and it absolutely makes it more likely they will get into an accident either through lack of driving skill or decreased reaction time. 55( with 60-65 being the max allowed )is plenty fast for the highways. IMOA.

If you are spending too much time in the car going to work move or get a closer job. No one forces you to commute that far. While I realize that is easier said than done, again, you made the choice to commute that far so you have to deal with it.

I am also in favor of lower the speed limits to help conserve fuel too. The amount of fuel wasted in this country by people going 75, 80, 85+ is mind blowing.

People can disagree. Just voicing my opinion. I just wish people would lay off the "you haven't driven here" or "you obviously haven't done...." stuff. Just because I don't agree that people need to go 70 MPH+ on the highway does not mean I haven't driven in a lot of different places and/or long distance.

FWIW I will be driving from NH to VA next week. I will set my CC @ 60 MPH out on the highway. I will get to my destination only an hour later than if I went 70 MPH, I won't grow old and qualify for Social Security on the way, and I will get optimum MPG from my vehicle. No reason to go faster.


I see we have somebody who would never fit in with driving in Germany, LOL!!!

I love driving fast and I'm not afraid to admit that. And while I don't drive the Expedition much more than 120-130Km/H (depending on road conditions, traffic....etc), the M5, like all cars of its calibre (like SteveSRT8's car) is more than happy to eat up the miles at speeds well over 100Mph and still feel like you are doing 60. When I drove to NC and going through the switchbacks in WV I was having a LOT of fun in those 55Mph corners. I'm not going to say any more on that, LOL
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Driver training in North America, lack of respect and on-road discipline are our biggest issues, not speed. 55Mph is still dangerous if there is 1ft of snow on the ground and zero visibility, but you know there will be some clown in a Yukon in 4-HIGH doing just that, endangering the lives of those around him. The drivers are the problem, not the speed.


You have someone who has NO INTEREST in driving in Germany.
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Yes, the driver's are the issue BUT you can't have no speed limits. You have to set limit somewhere. The higher the limit the more likely people are not able to handle it.
 
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Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: hypervish
If you tried going 55mph in NJ, you'd get run off the road!


Having recently drive a fairly decent amount in NJ, if you drive less than 75 you are going to get run off the road. :P


That is the most over used bull( sorry - don't mean it offensive like it sounds )there is when it comes to speed limit discussions used by those in favor of going faster. If you drive the speed limit you are not going to be run off the road. If you choose to go 75 it is a choice not self defense.

I will be in NJ in a little over a week and trust me my cruise will be set at 60 MPH and I will be just fine. Just as I will in MA, CT, NY, DE, MD, and VA. Yes there will be those going 75 MPH+. They will go around me and do their thing, hopefully not taking me out in the process, and I will do mine.
 
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I am bowing out of this now. Not accomplishing anything but getting people all riled up and indignant. I don't want to turn it into a pee'ing contest. I stated my view so I will move on.

Be safe.
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55? I can get out and walk faster, I run 70-90 even in my truck.

The US is a big country and their is no reason we couldn't have more reasonable speed limits if I had better trained drivers.

Out west 100-120 is a perfectly reasonable cruising speed.
 
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: hypervish
If you tried going 55mph in NJ, you'd get run off the road!


Having recently drive a fairly decent amount in NJ, if you drive less than 75 you are going to get run off the road. :P


That is the most over used bull( sorry - don't mean it offensive like it sounds )there is when it comes to speed limit discussions used by those in favor of going faster. If you drive the speed limit you are not going to be run off the road. If you choose to go 75 it is a choice not self defense.

I will be in NJ in a little over a week and trust me my cruise will be set at 60 MPH and I will be just fine. Just as I will in MA, CT, NY, DE, MD, and VA. Yes there will be those going 75 MPH+. They will go around me and do their thing, hopefully not taking me out in the process, and I will do mine.


Yawn I run up and down I95 all the time, just did Philly to CT Sunday and never went slower than 70.

In three hours I ran 190 miles with one pee stop and being stuck in traffic for half an hour.
 
Hello! Has anybody noticed that this is about the speed limit in Euro, not North America.
 
Are you serious? You are the one who said "they would bring back" and "too many lead foots out there". Who is going to "bring it back"? And just because you think there are too many lead foots, so what? Who is going to control those lead foots in your mind?

The whole 55 miles per hour thing was all about government control. They didn't think we should use fuel to go faster. They thought 70 MPH was excessive. They wanted to slow us down because they thought it was better for us. So, instead of just letting the price of gasoline rise to market levels and allow consumers to adapt accordingly, they thought they had to do something.

Wow.
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Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Is there any aspect of life you don't want the government to control?

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
I remember it well. The only people who found it miserable are those who have to go 80. I wish they would bring the 55 SL back and enforce it. Too many lead foots out there.


That is quite the overreaction. Speed limits are not government "controlling" our lives. Wow.
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I just made a 1000 mile trip. Average ruising speed was around 100, it varied 40 mph either way depending on conditions. -- IN MY TRUCK. No tickets, no crashes, and averaged 14 mpg. It gets 16 at best doing 70. The way I look at it, the 5 hours spent not driving, can be spent working to pay for the gas and more. My time is valuable. It is also expensive. Just thought I would add a little spin to the discussion.
 
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Are you serious? You are the one who said "they would bring back" and "too many lead foots out there". Who is going to "bring it back"? And just because you think there are too many lead foots, so what? Who is going to control those lead foots in your mind?

The whole 55 miles per hour thing was all about government control. They didn't think we should use fuel to go faster. They thought 70 MPH was excessive. They wanted to slow us down because they thought it was better for us. So, instead of just letting the price of gasoline rise to market levels and allow consumers to adapt accordingly, they thought they had to do something.

Wow.
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Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Is there any aspect of life you don't want the government to control?

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
I remember it well. The only people who found it miserable are those who have to go 80. I wish they would bring the 55 SL back and enforce it. Too many lead foots out there.


That is quite the overreaction. Speed limits are not government "controlling" our lives. Wow.
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You need a visit with an anger management specialist or something. WAY over the top.

Obviously the government would have to bring the 55 SL back. It is the government( Fed/State )that sets the limits. It isn't like we get to set our own. So obviously THEY would have to do it.

55 MPH national SL was about fuel conservation and nothing more in the 70's. You can rant and rave about speed limit conspiracies and government control all you want. I am not impressed.

Obviously the Police would enforce the legally set SL.

You really need to relax my friend. You are the one who equated speed limits to government controlling our entire lives. That is a ridiculous stretch even for the most paranoid anti government type out there.
 
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Originally Posted By: GutsyGecko
I just made a 1000 mile trip. Average ruising speed was around 100, it varied 40 mph either way depending on conditions. -- IN MY TRUCK. No tickets, no crashes, and averaged 14 mpg. It gets 16 at best doing 70. The way I look at it, the 5 hours spent not driving, can be spent working to pay for the gas and more. My time is valuable. It is also expensive. Just thought I would add a little spin to the discussion.
OK, you have my attention now! You are also from the state of Ohio, the home of officer Bob Speed!!
 
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