EU may ban carbon fiber in cars

[wemay]

Citing airborne particles during disassembly. I wonder if this will take hold in North America.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a64475660/carbon-fiber-car-ban-europe-2029/

 

[fantastic]

Some things come to NA from Europe first but I doubt it'll be banned here. Interesting to see what they're up to over there.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Hard to say these outfits are always looking for dragon the slay. The Europeans are big into recycling and the US not so much. I guess this means F1 will revert to fiberglass..hahaha

 

[JohnnyJohnson]

Like to see them build a Stealth Fighter without it.

 

[4WD]

Wait,
just switched to grilling veggie burgers and now banned

 

[Jetronic]

Like to see them build a Stealth Fighter without it.

stealth fighter cars?

reading is a skill I guess.

 

[supton]

The addition of carbon fiber to the ELV has not yet been set in stone: the draft amendment will be reviewed by the European Parliament, the European Commission, and the final gavel of the European Council before taking effect. If passed, the amendment would effectively ban carbon fiber from new vehicles starting in 2029, according to Nikkei. There is strong opposition on the other side of the table, however — particularly from aircraft and wind turbine manufacturers who rely heavily on the lightweight material.

Guess we'll see where it goes.

They could avoid banning it by just making it harder to "safely" recycle. If automakers have to somehow pay for the cost of recycling, and CF winds up being treated like a modern day asbestos, then it'd be to the same effect. Those who absolutely need it will pay for it, while others will get just avoid it.

 

[rijndael]

I'd be interested to know if carbon fiber bicycle waste exceeds carbon fiber car waste.

 

[Jetronic]

Guess we'll see where it goes.

They could avoid banning it by just making it harder to "safely" recycle. If automakers have to somehow pay for the cost of recycling, and CF winds up being treated like a modern day asbestos, then it'd be to the same effect. Those who absolutely need it will pay for it, while others will get just avoid it.

the EU carmakers already have to pay for recycling.

 

[Jetronic]

I'd be interested to know if carbon fiber bicycle waste exceeds carbon fiber car waste.

carbon fibre bikes are a niche product in the EU. They exist, but very uncommon. That's mostly because bikes are used differently, as transportation rather than hobby and the CF bikes are in the hobby sector.

 

[wemay]

Like to see them build a Stealth Fighter without it.

Who said anything about Stealth Fighters?

 

[KGMtech]

Tire wear is the leading source of micro plastic contamination. So how far away are we from vacuums installed behind each wheel catching all that horrible debris? then taking their Mahle/Hengst/Fram/Purolator/Baldwin filter bags to the special facility to have them emptied?

Remember I said it first.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Time to sell SGL Carbon.

 

[andrew_j]

Like to see them build a Stealth Fighter without it.

All of few hundred built vs 100k-1m+ autos?

 

[Cujet]

In many ways, aluminum is probably the easiest automotive material to recycle. Although we can recycle many forms of glass quite easily also. Recycling fiberglass composites (with resin) is not practical in the same way. Generally composites get ground up and mixed into cement or stirred into other products such as artificial wood. Automotive plastics can recycle, but degrade markedly after 1 to 3 cycles.

Steel is also a great choice for recycling. It's almost like conventional metal cars are a better choice....

 

[Kestas]

Aluminum picks up iron during the recycling process. Iron greatly degrades aluminum's mechanical properties. The metal is called secondary aluminum. Steel's mechanical properties don't suffer so much from recycling.

Recycling aluminum saves the huge amount of energy required to smelt primary aluminum from bauxite.
I still vote for steel as being easier to recycle.

 

[LowMilesLesabre]

Another intense cost for creating aluminum from scratch is the substantial amount of clean water necessary to process it. Recycling aluminum requires a lot less resources. This may be why of all current recyclables, aluminum rings higher returns for those who collect it.

 

[notharry]

As said its properties mimic asbestos. Even handling and cutting it is danderous from what I understand. I can see where it will eventually be banned, but it will take years and millions of deaths before it totally is. As of a few years Asbestos could be found in some brake parts still, manufactured and imported in third world countries. Lead in window shades and childrens toys.

 

[4WD]

As said its properties mimic asbestos. Even handling and cutting it is danderous from what I understand. I can see where it will eventually be banned, but it will take years and millions of deaths before it totally is. As of a few years Asbestos could be found in some brake parts still, manufactured and imported in third world countries. Lead in window shades and childrens toys.

 

[wbwanzer]

In post #19, is that asbestos in it's natural form? Otherwise not sure what I'm seeing.