EU backing off 2035 ICE car ban

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Here is my .20 adjusted to 'inflation' of cause....
At one point in life (35+ years ago) I did review and wrote a program to calculate cost optimization for electric power production for entire country, all existing power plant types and base were considered. Only thing other guys were doing was adding sched maintenance outages for mostly coal burning plants. Nuclear plants were the cheapest to operate all in all long term considering power production costs. Enviro effects were also considered. Do you know that some coal burning plants' pollution goes around whole planet 2x or more?
Used FORTRAN back then :)
The problem with nuclear is that you cannot have rational policy conversations about it.
Poland used the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the "rally around flag" moment to prop the nuclear program forward.
 
I agree with you on the nuclear. But you did see @OVERKILL ‘s post awhile back that showed actual cost per kWh once maintenance was added in, right? If you normalized cost to the most expensive per kWh, IIRC you could make about 50kWh nuclear for every 1kWh of the “worst” “renewable”.
Yeah wind turbines over the age of 10 years old start to become maintenance pigs.
Solar panels are sitting ducks for hail. 60 to 70% of the US see solar panel shredding hail, the east coast and gulf coast see panel shredding cyclones.
 
The don;t have to mandate it. Emission standards make it impossible to build cars just with ICE. New BMW M5 is a hybrid.
It’s totally awesome. It really shows how a hybrid can be a major power adder. It also happens to be a PHEV. So maybe the long term solution is high performance PHEV running on E50. Also, Hybrids and PHEV’s are acceptable in the current federal goal for 2035.

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How about mandated hybrid cars first, then plug in hybrids, then electric only. What do I know, I’m just a tax paying peasant.
That could work, I see it a little differently though. How about we mandate nothing and let people decide what they want to buy as the US grid slowly evolves to support going green. There are people buying EV's, they have their reasons, as do the people buying ICE vehicles. Hobbling ICE vehicles with ridiculous mandates breeds lousy problematic more expensive vehicles . However when something is forced upon people it usually doesn't end well, and in this case will probably take longer than it has to for the grid to evolve. We still have problems keeping air conditioners running during heatwaves, go all green and see how that works out. JMO
 
Yeah wind turbines over the age of 10 years old start to become maintenance pigs.
Solar panels are sitting ducks for hail. 60 to 70% of the US see solar panel shredding hail, the east coast and gulf coast see panel shredding cyclones.
Auto hydraulic aluminum safety shields that deploy in 2 seconds is the answer to the solar panel problem. :)
 
When it comes to nuclear energy, rational policy conversation is impossible!
And I’m even not that against wind & solar… for remote living these sources can be invaluable for a homeowner.

But I can’t see using wind or solar for utility-level power generation that’s being hybridized with other hydrocarbon, hydroelectric or nuclear sources.
 
I think the biggest worry, ignoring the fact that EV's don't and won't work for a lot of people is the European car industry dying on it's feet.

Chinese EV manufacturers are setting up shop all over Europe selling cars at such a price point that European manufacturers just cannot compete. If ICE cars are banned then the European manufacturers will just end up priced out of the market.
 
And I’m even not that against wind & solar… for remote living these sources can be invaluable for a homeowner.

But I can’t see using wind or solar for utility-level power generation that’s being hybridized with other hydrocarbon, hydroelectric or nuclear sources.
I understand. I am just saying, policy conversation is hard around nuclear. Poland used Russian invasion of Ukraine and rally around flag mood to push nuclear power.
 
I'll chime in,
I like to think positive that we are helping mother earth heal itself, but my observations are that we produce more cars than ever, we mine for nickel hydrid more than ever, we are looking for different types of fuel sources that are creating more pollution. We are polluting our oceans and environment with plastic everywhere. Most likely after another world plague and production slows down for everything; we might see a turn around in pollution. As a population globally we crap on everything! I crapped twice a day down a pipe and don't even think twice where it goes! Just my two cents.
 
"Backing off ICE ban"
Well what intelligent person would have believed that even here in the USA there will be an ICE ban?

It's just grandstanding in front of certain groups of people to look good. We cant go further as that involves politics. Those people just lap it up and believe what they are told is possible and in their best interest for some out of whack fantasy that will never take place.
Though everyone like s fantasy, some cant distinguish that from reality.
 
You may not but you are a definite minority. Like all extremist groups once these green spinners get lathered up they go all in on the most extreme view points.
I don't think most EV owners give a second thought to ICE other than they're happy to not be buying gasoline or just prefer the driving experience. There are crazies for sure, but I would be very surprised if many EV owners cared.
 
"Backing off ICE ban"
Well what intelligent person would have believed that even here in the USA there will be an ICE ban?

It's just grandstanding in front of certain groups of people to look good. We cant go further as that involves politics. Those people just lap it up and believe what they are told is possible and in their best interest for some out of whack fantasy that will never take place.
Though everyone like s fantasy, some cant distinguish that from reality.
Considering all the nonsense that has been forced on the consumer for decades resulting in diesels with terrible fuel economy and reliability, appliances that last a tenth the life the old ones lasted, regulations that force cylinder deactivation cutting the life of engines in half, and how many other dumb regulations over our lives. Never take a threat as empty.
 
You may not but you are a definite minority. Like all extremist groups once these green spinners get lathered up they go all in on the most extreme view points.
I don't think most EV owners give a second thought to ICE other than they're happy to not be buying gasoline or just prefer the driving experience. There are crazies for sure, but I would be very surprised if many EV owners cared.
I know bazillions of EV owners. Everyone of them also has an ICE vehicle. I sure do and will continue to do so.
There is no "one size fits all" that I know of.
 
EVs are becoming more common and are being more widely adopted by mainstream non-enthusiast folks, but this isn't happening quickly enough to support a general mandation.
There are alternatives that get us halfway there, like HEV and PHEV vehicles.
There is also the potential to destroy the European car industry as we know it with the awful economic dislocation that would bring for the EU in the event of a mandate little more than a decade hence.
There may also be inadequacies in utility supply capacity both in much of our country as well as much of the EU.
 
I know bazillions of EV owners. Everyone of them also has an ICE vehicle. I sure do and will continue to do so.
There is no "one size fits all" that I know of.
bazillions? There are obviously more than enough ding bats to go around when 17 states are deciding to ban ice vehicles with CA being the worst and the instigator of this crap.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...rnia-gas-car-ban-17-states-follow/7987248001/

https://www.afpm.org/issues/fuels-vehicles/gas-car-bans-electric-vehicle-mandates
 
The don;t have to mandate it. Emission standards make it impossible to build cars just with ICE. New BMW M5 is a hybrid.
Sports cars are better as hybrids as they offer superior power where ICE lacks, off the line where any car spends vast majority of life. The efficiency and emissions gains are icing on the cake.
 
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