Has anyone switched from a dino 15W40 to Esso XD-3 0W40 syn and noticed a reduction in consumption? I currently run Pennzoil Long Life in one of my cars and it consumes a bit of oil. The price of LL is going up and I can get the XD-3 syn for about $1 more a litre. So I am thinking of swtiching over to XD-3, but not if it will increase my consumption. What about anyone experiencing issues with seals and XD-3 0W40?
Esso XD-3 - reducing Oil consumption
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Oldswagon, I used 15-40 dino in my Dodge Cummins Diesel summmer, now using 0-40 XD3, I normally use 1/2 litre per 5000kms on 15-40 dino, no consumption at 2500kms now on 0-40. My Esso Bulk Station tells me that any one previously using a 15-40 dino oil with oil consumption give positive feed back on 0-40 XD3 stopping oil consumption, I agree todate too.
I use XD3 15-40 dino summer, on specs the XD3 0-40 syn and XD3 15-40 dino are identical. If anything, the -60F or -48C pour point is worth the $1.00 per litre, cant get better bang for buck than that. This 0-40 XD3 has TBN of 12.2, visc100C 15.7, my oil pressure on this 0-40 syn is same as XD3 dino 15-40 running hot, difference is cold start up with 0-40 XD3 rated for ambient start ups of -40C or F. The 15-40 XD3 dino pretty good with rating of -20C, pretty good in comparison to other dino too.
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I use XD3 15-40 dino summer, on specs the XD3 0-40 syn and XD3 15-40 dino are identical. If anything, the -60F or -48C pour point is worth the $1.00 per litre, cant get better bang for buck than that. This 0-40 XD3 has TBN of 12.2, visc100C 15.7, my oil pressure on this 0-40 syn is same as XD3 dino 15-40 running hot, difference is cold start up with 0-40 XD3 rated for ambient start ups of -40C or F. The 15-40 XD3 dino pretty good with rating of -20C, pretty good in comparison to other dino too.
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I am jealous. On my next venture north of the border, I will have to try to pick up a few cases for my GMC Duramax.
K1xv, I don't understand why Exxon/Mobil in the States don't market this XD3 syn oil, lots cold climate in northern States too. It is made by Esso/Mobil up here. Even Wally World carries it up here now, might not hurt to lobby your local Walmart Auto Manager or Exxon/Mobil to get some in for you, worth try? Best place to get this stuff here in Canada is Imperial Canada/Esso Bulk Stations, you can get 0-30 for under $4.00 Can, 0-40 for just over $4.00, Mobil 1 up here is $8.00 litre, value that cant be beat. Litre is bit more volume than your quart I think, very close to same.
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I switched 7 vehichles from dino 5w30 to XD3 0w30 and oil consumption didn't go up. All of them average about 0.5L per 20,000km. One of them had a small rear crank seal leak and I'm pretty sure it has now stopped.
Coincidence. I was thinking about this earlier today if ExxonMobil has a US market counterpart for the Esso XD-3 hdeo...specifically XD-3 0w40.
I now currently run Rotella 5w40 in my 1.8T for the A-Rx rinse. The engine seems to like this type, the hdeo ones. Somehow w/ hdeo it runs way smoother and engine NVH is more subdued as compared to prev fill of pcmos of Motul and Synpower 5w40s...2nd order vibration is lesser thru the steering wheel than before w/ this oil type.
I now currently run Rotella 5w40 in my 1.8T for the A-Rx rinse. The engine seems to like this type, the hdeo ones. Somehow w/ hdeo it runs way smoother and engine NVH is more subdued as compared to prev fill of pcmos of Motul and Synpower 5w40s...2nd order vibration is lesser thru the steering wheel than before w/ this oil type.
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Delvac-1 is the US-market product in place of XD-3 0W40.
Since Mobil isn't exactly a well known brand in Canada, I expect Imperial Oil to continue marketing XD-3 in its present form for quite some time to come. We can only speculate on how long the use of PAO fluids will last in the 0W30/0W40 grades as group III fluids continue to be upgraded in quality on the market.
Since Mobil isn't exactly a well known brand in Canada, I expect Imperial Oil to continue marketing XD-3 in its present form for quite some time to come. We can only speculate on how long the use of PAO fluids will last in the 0W30/0W40 grades as group III fluids continue to be upgraded in quality on the market.
Not very. Only with its availability at Wal-Mart has it been commonly available. Wal-Mart has only been in Canada for about 10 years. And even now, aside from the specific "Mobil-1" brand, other Mobil-branded automotive products are virtually nowhere in Canada to be found.quote:
Originally posted by BlazerLT:
Mobil 1 isn't known in Canada?
Since there is an Esso petrol station in every community in Canada, and not a single Mobil station.....
Products labeled "Esso" are generally unavailable in the USA due to the fact that "Esso" meant "S.O." which in turn meant "Standard Oil". After the court mandated break up of the original Standard Oil company into multiple companies way back around 1911, each of the new Standard Oil companies only had the right to use the Standard Oil name in their designated geographic areas.
Notwithstanding all of this, it is possible to get Imperial Oil "Esso" ATF by the case in some warehouse stores down here. So I guess there is a chance that they could get "Esso" motor oil as well if they really wanted to.
Notwithstanding all of this, it is possible to get Imperial Oil "Esso" ATF by the case in some warehouse stores down here. So I guess there is a chance that they could get "Esso" motor oil as well if they really wanted to.
Maybe not in your neck of the woods, but Mobil 1 has been around here for years.quote:
Originally posted by pitzel:
Not very. Only with its availability at Wal-Mart has it been commonly available. Wal-Mart has only been in Canada for about 10 years. And even now, aside from the specific "Mobil-1" brand, other Mobil-branded automotive products are virtually nowhere in Canada to be found.quote:
Originally posted by BlazerLT:
Mobil 1 isn't known in Canada?
Since there is an Esso petrol station in every community in Canada, and not a single Mobil station.....
This makes me feel old. Old enough to remember when the US Esso stations turned into Exxon (1972) while our Canadian Esso stations remained Esso. I think Esso is still used as a brand name in Europe too.
There must be a lot of people (hey I am not yet 40) in the US who remember the Esso name, so maybe there is some legacy marketing value of an Esso product.
The other thing about the redundancy with Exxon/Mobil HDEOs is that the Exxon/Mobil merger is really a relatively recent event in terms of corporate history. Was it 5 years ago? It wasn't until I started spending quality time on BITOG that I had to stop reminding myself "Oh yeah, Exxon and Mobil merged." If XD-3 seems like a redundancy with something like Delvac, maybe its because Delvac was a Mobil product?
The "efficiencies" of these mergers can take a while to appear. Just ask Carly Fiorina who resigned yesterday as HP CEO after years of championing the Compaq merger. I do business with HP and they have literally lost tens of thousands of dollars of sales to me because I could not get someone from HP to sell me the stuff that constitutes the legacy Compaq product.
That is the bad side of it. Maybe the good side is that sometimes it means a merged company will continue producing two good but similar products, offering us choice.
Okay I admit it. I bought a jug of XD-3 Dino at Wallyworld today. $10.46 CDN or about $8.50 in real money.
There must be a lot of people (hey I am not yet 40) in the US who remember the Esso name, so maybe there is some legacy marketing value of an Esso product.
The other thing about the redundancy with Exxon/Mobil HDEOs is that the Exxon/Mobil merger is really a relatively recent event in terms of corporate history. Was it 5 years ago? It wasn't until I started spending quality time on BITOG that I had to stop reminding myself "Oh yeah, Exxon and Mobil merged." If XD-3 seems like a redundancy with something like Delvac, maybe its because Delvac was a Mobil product?
The "efficiencies" of these mergers can take a while to appear. Just ask Carly Fiorina who resigned yesterday as HP CEO after years of championing the Compaq merger. I do business with HP and they have literally lost tens of thousands of dollars of sales to me because I could not get someone from HP to sell me the stuff that constitutes the legacy Compaq product.
That is the bad side of it. Maybe the good side is that sometimes it means a merged company will continue producing two good but similar products, offering us choice.
Okay I admit it. I bought a jug of XD-3 Dino at Wallyworld today. $10.46 CDN or about $8.50 in real money.
I think I am on the other side of the city from Blazer, but I agree. Mobil1 is common everywhere you find more than 2 brands of oil on sale. However it is the only Mobil branded product you routinely.
I don't get out much but it seems that Pennzoil, Castrol, Esso and Mobil 1 are the most common oil brands I see for sale in Ontario, with Valvoline and Quaker State not far behind.
Beyond those common oils, I don't see much of a range of diversity here like it seems the US has, but that is true about just about anything other than politics
In the frozen North, Canadian Tire seems to occupy all the market space that AutoZone, PepBoys, NAPA etc share down south. No competition for them here. They already have a Red Logo with a maple leaf on it, so maybe we should just make them a governemnt monopoly. Then I guess my $10 jug of oil would be $47 and I would need a hazardous materials handling licence and an approved environmental assesment to carry it to my car.
I don't get out much but it seems that Pennzoil, Castrol, Esso and Mobil 1 are the most common oil brands I see for sale in Ontario, with Valvoline and Quaker State not far behind.
Beyond those common oils, I don't see much of a range of diversity here like it seems the US has, but that is true about just about anything other than politics
In the frozen North, Canadian Tire seems to occupy all the market space that AutoZone, PepBoys, NAPA etc share down south. No competition for them here. They already have a Red Logo with a maple leaf on it, so maybe we should just make them a governemnt monopoly. Then I guess my $10 jug of oil would be $47 and I would need a hazardous materials handling licence and an approved environmental assesment to carry it to my car.
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Originally posted by BlazerLT:
Maybe not in your neck of the woods, but Mobil 1 has been around here for years.quote:
Originally posted by pitzel:
Not very. Only with its availability at Wal-Mart has it been commonly available. Wal-Mart has only been in Canada for about 10 years. And even now, aside from the specific "Mobil-1" brand, other Mobil-branded automotive products are virtually nowhere in Canada to be found.quote:
Originally posted by BlazerLT:
Mobil 1 isn't known in Canada?
Since there is an Esso petrol station in every community in Canada, and not a single Mobil station.....
In Alberta UFA farm stores also sell ESSO products rebadged as UFA oils.
Forgive my lack of understating between regular oils and high detergent oils...
Do all have detergents now-a-days? or some more than others...
Only diesel engine oils have higher deternt levels?
Is the XD-3 syn (0-30, 0-40) a high detergent oil?
Suitable for a gasoline engine prone to sludge? If it pehaps has sludge, can such an oil help clean, or simply ensure it does not build up further...
I purchased a 4L jug of xd-3 syn, 0-40, but have not yet used it.
thanks is advance.
Do all have detergents now-a-days? or some more than others...
Only diesel engine oils have higher deternt levels?
Is the XD-3 syn (0-30, 0-40) a high detergent oil?
Suitable for a gasoline engine prone to sludge? If it pehaps has sludge, can such an oil help clean, or simply ensure it does not build up further...
I purchased a 4L jug of xd-3 syn, 0-40, but have not yet used it.
thanks is advance.
My Esso Agent tells me this XD3 syn oil reduces oil consumption in comparison to 15-40 use by his customers. I personally have found less oil consumption in my 92 Dodge Cummins.
My Nissan service manager is a very seasoned mechanic, when I told him I was using XD3 in my new Nissan QR25DE he told me he highly recommends XD3 and would not suggest anything else according to his experience in oil use. In years past to current when people have sludge buildup causing things to stick he recommends two OCIs with Esso XD3, if things do not improve after that then time to open up engine. He told me XD3 generally does the trick. XD3 has been around a long time, these 100 full syn oils are relatively new, they were semi syn a year or so ago.
I am breaking in another QR25DE now, I am using XD3 5-30 dino to seat in prior to the 0-30 XD3 syn use, excellent oil, I am using the high detergent to flush this engine 2 times within first 5K, two flushes after 700kms on factory oil. This oil is great protection, has same basic specs as XD3 syn, when I do switch over to XD3 syn, there will be little shock to engine in additives and my engine will be clean from start and stay clean with XD3 syn in life time use of car in my opinion.
To note, this XD3 5-30 syn oil at 2.60 litre basically outspecs the $6.00 per litre Esso Superflo on spec sheet, only -3C difference on flow rate from Superflo, the TBN is 25% greater with XD3 dino than Superflo, the 100C visc is 1 point higher at 11 on this XD3 5-30 dino than 10-30 Superflo syn. This XD3 in dino or syn is great value and is SL rated for gasoline engines, it will keep them clean. A clean engine is a healthy one, much like our bodies, clean blood and system = longevity.
I use the XD3 0-30 in the 4 cylinder QR25DE and 0-40 XD3 syn in the diesel. This is heavy duty oil, the 0-30 is heavy, its TBN is 12.2, the 100C visc is 12.1, flow rate of -48C. To give example how good an oil this is, Esso Superflow 10-30 syn oil is 10.1 visc at 100C, TBN of 8.6, flow rate -39C. Depending what your driving, the 0-40 may be too heavy, a V-8 or large 6 maybe okay with 0-40 in gassers, in small 4 bangers you may want the 0-30. Quicklude also pointed out that the 0-30 sheared less than the 0-40 in his PSD, keep in mind the 0-40 has same TBN but but 15.7 Visc at 100C.
What engine are you using?
Cyprs
My Nissan service manager is a very seasoned mechanic, when I told him I was using XD3 in my new Nissan QR25DE he told me he highly recommends XD3 and would not suggest anything else according to his experience in oil use. In years past to current when people have sludge buildup causing things to stick he recommends two OCIs with Esso XD3, if things do not improve after that then time to open up engine. He told me XD3 generally does the trick. XD3 has been around a long time, these 100 full syn oils are relatively new, they were semi syn a year or so ago.
I am breaking in another QR25DE now, I am using XD3 5-30 dino to seat in prior to the 0-30 XD3 syn use, excellent oil, I am using the high detergent to flush this engine 2 times within first 5K, two flushes after 700kms on factory oil. This oil is great protection, has same basic specs as XD3 syn, when I do switch over to XD3 syn, there will be little shock to engine in additives and my engine will be clean from start and stay clean with XD3 syn in life time use of car in my opinion.
To note, this XD3 5-30 syn oil at 2.60 litre basically outspecs the $6.00 per litre Esso Superflo on spec sheet, only -3C difference on flow rate from Superflo, the TBN is 25% greater with XD3 dino than Superflo, the 100C visc is 1 point higher at 11 on this XD3 5-30 dino than 10-30 Superflo syn. This XD3 in dino or syn is great value and is SL rated for gasoline engines, it will keep them clean. A clean engine is a healthy one, much like our bodies, clean blood and system = longevity.
I use the XD3 0-30 in the 4 cylinder QR25DE and 0-40 XD3 syn in the diesel. This is heavy duty oil, the 0-30 is heavy, its TBN is 12.2, the 100C visc is 12.1, flow rate of -48C. To give example how good an oil this is, Esso Superflow 10-30 syn oil is 10.1 visc at 100C, TBN of 8.6, flow rate -39C. Depending what your driving, the 0-40 may be too heavy, a V-8 or large 6 maybe okay with 0-40 in gassers, in small 4 bangers you may want the 0-30. Quicklude also pointed out that the 0-30 sheared less than the 0-40 in his PSD, keep in mind the 0-40 has same TBN but but 15.7 Visc at 100C.
What engine are you using?
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