91 E0 would be awesome… here the only E0 option I have ever seen is 87. so it’s either that or 93 E10
EPA Issues Waiver Allowing E15 Ethanol Gasoline Sales Through Summer
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I dont use Kwik Trip, I suppose if I see e15 it will be from there.
Im not a fan of laxing rules just to use more corn fuel and less gas. Thats a Trump Thing right now, which he is less than perfect at times.
normally 3 tanks here mid grade sux from both, diesel seperate.
Minnesota has been on crap fuel for atleast a decade or more , sounds like you are happy with it.
alot of people dont know there is about 1/2 dozen or more fuel formulations across the country, California being the worst. Washington crap, and Mn. Northern Florida was on Real Fuel. it just varies, but what do you think corn growers use? they have access to non ethonal fuel.
I had a motor blow from Bad fuel couple months ago, they drained the tank, but motor head gasket already popped. Shell station, which you'd think is good fuel, but Iranians own it so who knows.
88 E15 as you stated is different. What I saw here at one place was all pumps now listing E15. Since it came from the depot I have to assume it was more than just one station?
Minnesota has mandated E10 for all grades of gasoline except for premium non-oxy dating back to 2003 by state law, and it was widely used by many brands prior to that dating back to the 1980's. Suffice to say, we've used E10 blends for going on 30+ years at this point up here.
You call it "crap fuel". In the meantime, my Ecoboost F150 and Explorer both love the stuff. The Octane Adjustment Ratio on the ecoboosts is where you can see what the engine thinks of the octane of the fuel and the 88 octane E15 consistently reports much higher results than 87 octane E10 here.
I've got my own issues with ethanol and its affect on farming practices, but when gas is pushing $4 a gallon, with a 36 gallon tank to fill I'll use what makes economic sense. Ford says E15 is fine, and as noted zero issues to date.
In the upper midwest, you'll find E15 in many places - Iowa, Eastern Nebraska, and Minnesota I can vouch for... and its sold right along side E10 87, usually at a higher price.
No idea what retailers in other locations are doing. In the upper midwest - Eastern Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, E15 is sold side by side with E10 87 octane. Kwik Trip, Caseys, Cenex, Kum&Go (now Maveriks) are places you often will find both.
Strange.
A lot of stations in my area offer ethanol free 91.
its often called Recreational premium fuel
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https://www.epa.gov/gasoline-standards/fuel-waivers#2025
Here one can see 27 similar waivers from the EPA over the past four years allowing for the sale of E15 throughout the summer.
This is the world's biggest nothing-burger. The state of journalism is so sad that this has blown up with such sensationalized headlines about "the EPA diluting our gas."
Besides, E15 itself is a nothing-burger. 1.5-2% fuel economy loss at most, and if a car can't safely handle E15, it shouldn't have been running E10 in the first place.
In my area Unl88 is significantly cheaper than 87. No, it's not going to save the planet, but I'm sure many people appreciate the cost savings of this fuel and I'm happy about that.
Here one can see 27 similar waivers from the EPA over the past four years allowing for the sale of E15 throughout the summer.
This is the world's biggest nothing-burger. The state of journalism is so sad that this has blown up with such sensationalized headlines about "the EPA diluting our gas."
Besides, E15 itself is a nothing-burger. 1.5-2% fuel economy loss at most, and if a car can't safely handle E15, it shouldn't have been running E10 in the first place.
In my area Unl88 is significantly cheaper than 87. No, it's not going to save the planet, but I'm sure many people appreciate the cost savings of this fuel and I'm happy about that.
E15 is often quite a bit cheaper than E10 RUG, so if your engine can use it then why not?
I've used maybe a hundred gallons of E15 in the HAH with no issues and no noticeable loss in fuel economy.
This seems a bit like the notion that E10 will kill OPE carbs. I've used E10 in my OPEs for decades now with no problems at all.
I found Cenex to offer premium top tier ethanol free. When I lived in WA, Cenex offered 92 E0 TT.
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my local shell station (i only buy fuel from this station unless traveling) has updated their pumps as of monday morning to 88 E15
Neighborhood Station today:
E10 87: 3.89
E15 88: 3.37
E0 91: 5.09
Diesel : 5:19
All my vehicles allow E15, and I've burned literally thousands of gallons of it in them with no ill affects. Not advocating for its use in cars or other equipment that manufacturers don't recommend it for...
E10 87: 3.89
E15 88: 3.37
E0 91: 5.09
Diesel : 5:19
All my vehicles allow E15, and I've burned literally thousands of gallons of it in them with no ill affects. Not advocating for its use in cars or other equipment that manufacturers don't recommend it for...
My daily is an early GM 3.6 (LY7) which was never officially “cleared” for E15. Yes I know it will still run, but…. not happy about it.
My main concern is that the 88e15 and e 85 price savings you usually see during a fuel crisis is non-existent.
They are so close in price it’s cheaper to just run RUG, which is normally not the case.
They are so close in price it’s cheaper to just run RUG, which is normally not the case.
Seems monumetally stupid. Fertilizer is in shortage because 1/3 of the world supply comes from the Gulf, and we need I think its sulphur - also of which much comes from the gulf - to turn nat gas into nitrogen.
Feed the corn to the cows. Eat the cows and burn gasoline. Current setup is perverted.
Feed the corn to the cows. Eat the cows and burn gasoline. Current setup is perverted.
I live in SC and current fuel prices are about $3.79 per gallon of 87 E10.
I usually purchase 87 E10 Top-Tier only and typically get it at Costco because it is 7 minutes from my home, line takes 2 minutes, and it is about $3.39
This last weekend I drove half way across the state in my 2024 Mazda CX-5, and when I came back I got some fuel at Pilot on I-95 and as I was pumping (I hit the yellow 87 button)… this was a completely normal gasoline nozzle and it was $3.89 … then I saw it tiny small white sticker saying “E-15” in size 12 font above the yellow button.
This happened April 3 NOT May 1st, so how was this even legal?
I QUIT pumping immediately after getting 1.5 ish gallons. I had about 6 gallons of E-10 in the tank when I pulled in…. When done driving that day I put 8 more of Costco E-10 in to actually fill the tank!
I HAVE A 2024…. This is what mine says verbatim:
87 [(R+M)/2 method] or above (91 RON or above)
Fuel with a rating lower than 87 octane (91 RON) will negatively affect the emission control system performance and could also cause engine knocking and serious engine damage.
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What is unclear about that? And I have a 2024. Where does the EPA get off saying all vehicles after 2001 can run E-15?
Also it is complete B.S. that E-15 is not more clearly labeled. Should have a giant, blue E-15 button that has the octane on it NOT a regular yellow 87 button!
I usually purchase 87 E10 Top-Tier only and typically get it at Costco because it is 7 minutes from my home, line takes 2 minutes, and it is about $3.39
This last weekend I drove half way across the state in my 2024 Mazda CX-5, and when I came back I got some fuel at Pilot on I-95 and as I was pumping (I hit the yellow 87 button)… this was a completely normal gasoline nozzle and it was $3.89 … then I saw it tiny small white sticker saying “E-15” in size 12 font above the yellow button.
This happened April 3 NOT May 1st, so how was this even legal?
I QUIT pumping immediately after getting 1.5 ish gallons. I had about 6 gallons of E-10 in the tank when I pulled in…. When done driving that day I put 8 more of Costco E-10 in to actually fill the tank!
I HAVE A 2024…. This is what mine says verbatim:
87 [(R+M)/2 method] or above (91 RON or above)
Fuel with a rating lower than 87 octane (91 RON) will negatively affect the emission control system performance and could also cause engine knocking and serious engine damage.
- This vehicle can only use oxygenated fuels containing no more than 10 % ethanol by volume. Damage to the vehicle may occur when ethanol exceeds this recommendation, or if the gasoline contains any methanol. Stop using gasohol of any kind if your vehicle engine is performing poorly.
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What is unclear about that? And I have a 2024. Where does the EPA get off saying all vehicles after 2001 can run E-15?
Also it is complete B.S. that E-15 is not more clearly labeled. Should have a giant, blue E-15 button that has the octane on it NOT a regular yellow 87 button!
I own two 2012 Toyotas and on the gas cap it says no E15.
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In the old days, more than 10% ethanol generally implied E85 (i.e. 51-83% ethanol). A blanket statement not to run greater than 10% was clear and concise.
The physical owner's manual for my 2021 model year car says the exact same. However, the digital owner's manual for my car has since been updated to say this:
In other words, you're fine. Your car won't notice 15% ethanol vs 10% ethanol besides requiring a minor +~1.5 fuel trim as will be determined by the AFR sensor.
Lots of sulphur in coal but the reality is if rationing is required our current.gov won’t do it.
If we lack adequate nitrogen corn finished livestock will need to die and cattle production will need to drop with a substitution of foods actually edible by humans directly not livestock food.
The corn grown for ethanol is normally not even usuable for cattle and needs to be processed into ethanol first before cattle/pigs can eat it safely.
Cattle aren’t sustainable, save smaller herds of grass fed, grass finished.
Much of our growing land is so diminished in minerals it can’t grow much useful for human consumption, might need to swap to desert foods like hemp.
Our country of crybabies would likely rather starve than get stuck eating exotic poverty foods that we can grow with inadequate fertilizer
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