Electrify America 2022 annual report.

[pezzy84]

Looks like they released their 2022 annual report a couple days ago.

EA 2022 Annual Report

Couple highlights

- 2022 charging sessions - 5.2 million
vs 2021 - 1.45 million
vs 2020 - 268,000

- Avoided consumption of 12 million gallons of gasoline.

The massive increase in charging sessions might explain the huge uptick in broken/non-working chargers. I bet the huge increase is result of free charging plans and EA probably didn't anticipate or plan for such a meteoric rise in use. Hopefully the charging deals with the automakers still make financial sense for EA, it will be great for them if they can retain the customers once the free charging expires but I kinda feel like they are going to have a lot of customers drop off once the free is over.

 

[JeffKeryk]

The Tesla Supercharger is fantastic, even though I almost never use it.
You know where they are, charging level, how many, how many are in use, how many are out of order and the charging price.

 

[pezzy84]

The Tesla Supercharger is fantastic, even though I almost never use it.
You know where they are, charging level, how many, how many are in use, how many are out of order and the charging price.

I really think and hope EA and others will eventually get into the groove. Tesla only had to design their chargers around a couple different models, EA and others have to make compatibility with dozens of brands. Who will win out at the end is to be seen.

 

[SeaJay]

How long does it take to recharge an average EV to get it from low to high, such as would be needed on a longer trip?

 

[UncleDave]

Looks like they released their 2022 annual report a couple days ago.

EA 2022 Annual Report

Couple highlights

- 2022 charging sessions - 5.2 million
vs 2021 - 1.45 million
vs 2020 - 268,000

- Avoided consumption of 12 million gallons of gasoline.

The massive increase in charging sessions might explain the huge uptick in broken/non-working chargers. I bet the huge increase is result of free charging plans and EA probably didn't anticipate or plan for such a meteoric rise in use. Hopefully the charging deals with the automakers still make financial sense for EA, it will be great for them if they can retain the customers once the free charging expires but I kinda feel like they are going to have a lot of customers drop off once the free is over.

5.2 million session out of a likely 10.4M attempts at charging on their broken busted chargers.

In the link they claim 10M gallons, but they have no idea what was avoided for a variety of reasons.

 

[Passport1]

When does the Correctify America 2022 Annual Report get released?

 

[doitmyself]

I have not studied and nor am I up to date on the real situation of the electric vehicle impetus. As an old hippie baby boomer, I hope that the real result will be a cleaner, more self reliant, sustainable energy system for the U.S.. We are barely scratching the surface of the technology and the road will be bumpy, for sure. You young people grasp the bull by the horns and make it happen. I'm on board to assist from my future scooter chair.

 

[slacktide_bitog]

I really think and hope EA and others will eventually get into the groove. Tesla only had to design their chargers around a couple different models, EA and others have to make compatibility with dozens of brands. Who will win out at the end is to be seen.

most cars have standardized EV plugs (CCS, Chademo, etc)

Of course Tesla had to be different and use their own (though non US-market Teslas use CCS)

 

[E365]

I think Tesla should start making CCS native units to sell to Electrify America, EVGo, ChargePoint, etc. The other makers like BTC, ABB, Siemens still don’t seem to have it figured out, yet…. Seems like a huge opportunity that might be gone soon.

The Tesla chargers/network are the best thing about the company.

 

[Torrid]

How long does it take to recharge an average EV to get it from low to high, such as would be needed on a longer trip?

That's where the built in trip planning comes into play. If you try to charge it from empty to full in one sitting, it'll take longer because battery management will slow above 80%. If you're charging from 20%-80% depending on who you're using for charging, 15-20 minutes.

 

[alarmguy]

"Avoided consumption of 12 million gallons of gasoline" this is nothing/ I bet we spill that much on the ground every year filling our cars too.
The USA uses 370 million gallons a day x 365 days a year = ________________. A lot more than 12 million gallons.

 

[PandaBear]

Looks like they released their 2022 annual report a couple days ago.

EA 2022 Annual Report

Couple highlights

- 2022 charging sessions - 5.2 million
vs 2021 - 1.45 million
vs 2020 - 268,000

- Avoided consumption of 12 million gallons of gasoline.

The massive increase in charging sessions might explain the huge uptick in broken/non-working chargers. I bet the huge increase is result of free charging plans and EA probably didn't anticipate or plan for such a meteoric rise in use. Hopefully the charging deals with the automakers still make financial sense for EA, it will be great for them if they can retain the customers once the free charging expires but I kinda feel like they are going to have a lot of customers drop off once the free is over.

More chargers mean more broken units and newer one always have "infant mortality" in manufacturing. Once they are addressed they should be reliable.

I was surprised to see only 2.5GWh being from workplace out of 172GWh. I guess Electrify America is only counting the commercial ones instead of the corporate owned ones? Or most people charge at home and only top off at work, so public charging is for long trip fast charging?

 

[PandaBear]

"Avoided consumption of 12 million gallons of gasoline" this is nothing/ I bet we spill that much on the ground every year filling our cars too.
The USA uses 370 million gallons a day x 365 days a year = ________________. A lot more than 12 million gallons.

This is the public charging network, most people charge at home and top off in the office. The better comparison is how many cups of coffee you buy in truck stop vs at home during breakfast. You will see probably similar ratio.

 

[PandaBear]

I think Tesla should start making CCS native units to sell to Electrify America, EVGo, ChargePoint, etc. The other makers like BTC, ABB, Siemens still don’t seem to have it figured out, yet…. Seems like a huge opportunity that might be gone soon.

The Tesla chargers/network are the best thing about the company.

I've worked with "industrial standard" here and there, there are lots of politics involved between companies and negotiation between how much loyalty to pay and how much they want to keep the advantage for themselves to sell more products.

"Move fast and break things" companies always will build new and better things and don't care about backward compatibility. Look at Model 3 over the years and how each car may use different parts within the same model year, and you won't know what repair parts to buy until you look at the VIN. Industrial standards can't work like that.

 

[PandaBear]

I really think and hope EA and others will eventually get into the groove. Tesla only had to design their chargers around a couple different models, EA and others have to make compatibility with dozens of brands. Who will win out at the end is to be seen.

This will be like Apple vs industry standard, sometimes Apple win sometimes industry standard wins.

USB-C vs Lightning, Mini-Display port vs HDMI, iMessage vs SMS, NVMe vs integrated storage, etc.

 

[E365]

Electrify America recently overhauled their billing and pricing structure.

I charged the LYRIQ there tonight on a station that just had all their equipment ripped-and-replaced with the newest gen equipment. 48¢ / kWh without membership and 36¢ / kWh with membership ($7 per month). The math comes out just a hair cheaper than the nearest Tesla for me - which I’m sure was by-design. Easy choice over Tesla for me. Better location, better equipment, lower price, credit card readers, no adapters, etc.

Electrify America has been on a tear lately replacing older equipment. Tons of (only) 2-3 year old sites near have been overhauled with the newest gen. equipment.

 

[Kiwi_ME]

This will be like Apple vs industry standard, sometimes Apple win sometimes industry standard wins.

USB-C vs Lightning...

But it's not always random. In both cases the EU determined which would be the standard in that region. Similarly there are no NACS chargers here in NZ, all are CCS2, often with Chademo as an option. All Teslas and most other EVs officially sold here have CCS2. No dumb adapters required.