I thought I read it on here somewhere that the 1.4 turbo has a timing belt that needs to be changed at 60-65k miles. Thats a big negative.
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The preliminary ratings for the Dart 1.4 MultiAir Turbo engine are 160 bhp (118 kW) at 5,500 rpm and 184 lb.-ft. (249 Nm) of torque from 2,500 through 4,000 rpm.
That is the problem. Put an tiny motor in a vehicle with a steep torque curve with peak up at 2500 RPM it is a dog off the line/daily driving. The other turbo car makers(Chevy, VW/Audi etc) have got this right.
That is the problem. Put an tiny motor in a vehicle with a steep torque curve with peak up at 2500 RPM it is a dog off the line/daily driving. The other turbo car makers(Chevy, VW/Audi etc) have got this right.
Still one of the nicest rides in the segment. Smooth riding and super handling. Nice looks too IMO, and Chrysler has really been focused on the quality of fit and finish.
Lots of other motors available. IMO with a stick shift you have no excuse for NOT being in the torque curve!
And its name is "Dart II".
Lots of other motors available. IMO with a stick shift you have no excuse for NOT being in the torque curve!
And its name is "Dart II".
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The 1.4T puts up some very nice numbers compared to GMs' 1.4T. However, the Dart is about 300lbs too heavy to be real fun. Of course it would need to be smaller in order to lose weight. The Focus still easily beats it, and matches/beats the Dart's mpg as well. Dart has the Focus sedan beat in the "looks" department. I do like the 5-dr Focus though.
The Dart is leaps and bounds better than the Caliber. If the 2.4 isn't updated, that's not much to look forward to.
The Dart is leaps and bounds better than the Caliber. If the 2.4 isn't updated, that's not much to look forward to.
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Originally Posted By: rjundi
The preliminary ratings for the Dart 1.4 MultiAir Turbo engine are 160 bhp (118 kW) at 5,500 rpm and 184 lb.-ft. (249 Nm) of torque from 2,500 through 4,000 rpm.
That is the problem. Put an tiny motor in a vehicle with a steep torque curve with peak up at 2500 RPM it is a dog off the line/daily driving. The other turbo car makers(Chevy, VW/Audi etc) have got this right.
I'd love to see a dyno chart for that engine. If it has a decent amount of torque before the peak, say from 1500-2500 RPM, the high peak won't matter as much.
My Cruze gets all of its torque 700 RPM sooner at 1800 RPM, and still has a good amount at 1500 RPM.
The preliminary ratings for the Dart 1.4 MultiAir Turbo engine are 160 bhp (118 kW) at 5,500 rpm and 184 lb.-ft. (249 Nm) of torque from 2,500 through 4,000 rpm.
That is the problem. Put an tiny motor in a vehicle with a steep torque curve with peak up at 2500 RPM it is a dog off the line/daily driving. The other turbo car makers(Chevy, VW/Audi etc) have got this right.
I'd love to see a dyno chart for that engine. If it has a decent amount of torque before the peak, say from 1500-2500 RPM, the high peak won't matter as much.
My Cruze gets all of its torque 700 RPM sooner at 1800 RPM, and still has a good amount at 1500 RPM.
Originally Posted By: kkreit01
The 1.4T puts up some very nice numbers compared to GMs' 1.4T. However, the Dart is about 300lbs too heavy to be real fun. Of course it would need to be smaller in order to lose weight. The Focus still easily beats it, and matches/beats the Dart's mpg as well. Dart has the Focus sedan beat in the "looks" department. I do like the 5-dr Focus though.
The Dart is leaps and bounds better than the Caliber. If the 2.4 isn't updated, that's not much to look forward to.
...except for the SRT AWD version which Steve has rumored to be on the horizon.
Of course with the weight it already carries, combined with even a lightweight AWD system, it will nedd A LOT more power than even the old 2.4 turbo powertrain delivered in order to compete with the Nippon 'rally twins'. ;(
The 1.4T puts up some very nice numbers compared to GMs' 1.4T. However, the Dart is about 300lbs too heavy to be real fun. Of course it would need to be smaller in order to lose weight. The Focus still easily beats it, and matches/beats the Dart's mpg as well. Dart has the Focus sedan beat in the "looks" department. I do like the 5-dr Focus though.
The Dart is leaps and bounds better than the Caliber. If the 2.4 isn't updated, that's not much to look forward to.
...except for the SRT AWD version which Steve has rumored to be on the horizon.
Of course with the weight it already carries, combined with even a lightweight AWD system, it will nedd A LOT more power than even the old 2.4 turbo powertrain delivered in order to compete with the Nippon 'rally twins'. ;(
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: kkreit01
The 1.4T puts up some very nice numbers compared to GMs' 1.4T. However, the Dart is about 300lbs too heavy to be real fun. Of course it would need to be smaller in order to lose weight. The Focus still easily beats it, and matches/beats the Dart's mpg as well. Dart has the Focus sedan beat in the "looks" department. I do like the 5-dr Focus though.
The Dart is leaps and bounds better than the Caliber. If the 2.4 isn't updated, that's not much to look forward to.
...except for the SRT AWD version which Steve has rumored to be on the horizon.
Of course with the weight it already carries, combined with even a lightweight AWD system, it will nedd A LOT more power than even the old 2.4 turbo powertrain delivered in order to compete with the Nippon 'rally twins'. ;(
In the latest C&D test the ONLY place the Focus beat it was in straight line speed. The Dart was right on the Foci's butt at the twisties. While the Focus is an entertaining car it's still wrong wheel drive, just highly developed. A proper AWD system makes a nice daily driver for most folks, and especially with some "heat" added!
I know what the SRT boys can do.
Expect greatness. 300+ hp for sure.
Originally Posted By: kkreit01
The 1.4T puts up some very nice numbers compared to GMs' 1.4T. However, the Dart is about 300lbs too heavy to be real fun. Of course it would need to be smaller in order to lose weight. The Focus still easily beats it, and matches/beats the Dart's mpg as well. Dart has the Focus sedan beat in the "looks" department. I do like the 5-dr Focus though.
The Dart is leaps and bounds better than the Caliber. If the 2.4 isn't updated, that's not much to look forward to.
...except for the SRT AWD version which Steve has rumored to be on the horizon.
Of course with the weight it already carries, combined with even a lightweight AWD system, it will nedd A LOT more power than even the old 2.4 turbo powertrain delivered in order to compete with the Nippon 'rally twins'. ;(
In the latest C&D test the ONLY place the Focus beat it was in straight line speed. The Dart was right on the Foci's butt at the twisties. While the Focus is an entertaining car it's still wrong wheel drive, just highly developed. A proper AWD system makes a nice daily driver for most folks, and especially with some "heat" added!
I know what the SRT boys can do.
Expect greatness. 300+ hp for sure.
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Originally Posted By: strongt
Go here to see Dodge Dart Engine and Trans specs and info:
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So the article first states that:
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The 1.4 belts out 160 hp and 184 lb-ft of torque (more torque than in the Fiat 500 Abarth). Chrysler builds Fiat's "FIRE" (Fully Integrated Roboticized Engine) in Dundee, Michigan; it has been heavily modified and retuned by Chrysler to better fit American tastes and needs; this included allowing for the use of readily available oil, rather than the European-spec oil used in European editions.
But then below it states:
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The engine takes four quarts of oil, synthetic 5W-40 recommended, with oil change intervals are set at 8,000 miles.
Synthetic 5w-40 is the European-spec oil. If that is what's recommended, then what else is allowed?
Go here to see Dodge Dart Engine and Trans specs and info:
Link
So the article first states that:
Quote:
The 1.4 belts out 160 hp and 184 lb-ft of torque (more torque than in the Fiat 500 Abarth). Chrysler builds Fiat's "FIRE" (Fully Integrated Roboticized Engine) in Dundee, Michigan; it has been heavily modified and retuned by Chrysler to better fit American tastes and needs; this included allowing for the use of readily available oil, rather than the European-spec oil used in European editions.
But then below it states:
Quote:
The engine takes four quarts of oil, synthetic 5W-40 recommended, with oil change intervals are set at 8,000 miles.
Synthetic 5w-40 is the European-spec oil. If that is what's recommended, then what else is allowed?
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Don't care if it's 3000HP. It's still wrong wheel drive.
AWD (what the SRT version will hopefully be), is NOT "wrong wheel drive".
Don't care if it's 3000HP. It's still wrong wheel drive.
AWD (what the SRT version will hopefully be), is NOT "wrong wheel drive".
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