Drop dead gorgeous Taycan

[Vercingetorix]

To be fair, he didn’t say an everyday driver. EV and tech. Charging network, autopilot, Infotainment, motor technology, etc. Which is correct.

I’d argue Tesla’s Supercharger system alone makes them the best “daily driver” EVs, by far.

I would dispute even that. What you consider “tech” is an iPad With gps. What I am saying is the Porsche is a better car for those of us that enjoy driving for the pure enjoyment of driving. What I consider“ tech“is the 5 link rear suspension with active steering, torque vectoring, and anti roll technology to make the car handle better. I do not want the car to drive me, I want to drive the car. My wife’s “daily driver” gets charged at home with my solar array every day. When traveling Electrify America has never been an issue.

 

[BHopkins]

That's a beautiful car. But from an EV and technology standpoint, the Taycan falls far short of the 10 year old Tesla.

I don't know enough on the technology differences between the two to say you are right or wrong. (I will say your "10 year old" claim sounds pretty childishly suspicious.)

Regardless, I would absolutely take a Taycan over any Tesla. And an e-tron GT over an S class. When they are available, I would easily choose the R1T over a Cybertruck.

I still can't get past the "unfinished" design styling of the Model 3 / Model Y front end. And the Tesla interiors do absolutely nothing for me.

Some day Autopilot will be a valuable tool, and at that time we should all appreciate the work that Tesla has done. But for now it is little more than a dangerous toy for the undisciplined. But a feature like Autopilot is not what a car like a Taycan is about. A Taycan is a car to be driven. Not ridden in.

There is a lot more to a car than connectivity, autopilot and a supercharger network. At least to some people. And I think that is what Porsche is all about. And they hit the mark with the Taycan.

 

[BHopkins]

. . . I do not want the car to drive me, I want to drive the car. . . .

This is what Tesla owners do not seem to understand about the Taycan.

While Porsche did benchmark some features of Tesla, Porsche was not trying make a car that would win over people that would want a Tesla. The Taycan was intended to provide an EV alternative those that would drive a car like a 911.

 

[JeffKeryk]

The Taycan is a fantastic car. It is an electric Porsche; it has to be. Of course fit and finish, attention to detail, driveability is as good as it gets.
Prior to release, Porsche touted it to get 500 miles on a charge among other things that would out do the Tesla Model S. Well, it failed.

The Taycan is not trying to be a Tesla and the Tesla is not trying to be like any other car.
The Tesla is futuristic as opposed to being an electric version of a great car.
There is room for both.

I am sure Taycan owners will love their cars; they should. Tesla owners as well.
In fact, Tesla customer satisfaction is the highest of any car.

You want performance? The Plaid annihilates the Taycan Turbo S on the track. Road track, drag track, you name it.

The Tesla Model S was introduced in 2012; it's range far exceeds the Taycan. My point is, from a tech and EV standpoint, Teslas are far ahead of any other EV. Think what you want and buy what you want, but the numbers don't lie.

I bought the car I wanted, and prefer it to a Taycan that costs 3 to 4 times as much. But that's just me. Each to their own.

 

[Vercingetorix]

The Taycan is a fantastic car. It is an electric Porsche; it has to be. Of course fit and finish, attention to detail, driveability is as good as it gets.
Prior to release, Porsche touted it to get 500 miles on a charge among other things that would out do the Tesla Model S. Well, it failed.

The Taycan is not trying to be a Tesla and the Tesla is not trying to be like any other car.
The Tesla is futuristic as opposed to being an electric version of a great car.
There is room for both.

I am sure Taycan owners will love their cars; they should. Tesla owners as well.
In fact, Tesla customer satisfaction is the highest of any car.

You want performance? The Plaid annihilates the Taycan Turbo S on the track. Road track, drag track, you name it.

The Tesla Model S was introduced in 2012; it's range far exceeds the Taycan. My point is, from a tech and EV standpoint, Teslas are far ahead of any other EV. Think what you want and buy what you want, but the numbers don't lie.

I bought the car I wanted, and prefer it to a Taycan that costs 3 to 4 times as much. But that's just me. Each to their

The Taycan is a fantastic car. It is an electric Porsche; it has to be. Of course fit and finish, attention to detail, driveability is as good as it gets.
Prior to release, Porsche touted it to get 500 miles on a charge among other things that would out do the Tesla Model S. Well, it failed.

The Taycan is not trying to be a Tesla and the Tesla is not trying to be like any other car.
The Tesla is futuristic as opposed to being an electric version of a great car.
There is room for both.

I am sure Taycan owners will love their cars; they should. Tesla owners as well.
In fact, Tesla customer satisfaction is the highest of any car.

You want performance? The Plaid annihilates the Taycan Turbo S on the track. Road track, drag track, you name it.

The Tesla Model S was introduced in 2012; it's range far exceeds the Taycan. My point is, from a tech and EV standpoint, Teslas are far ahead of any other EV. Think what you want and buy what you want, but the numbers don't lie.

I bought the car I wanted, and prefer it to a Taycan that costs 3 to 4 times as much. But that's just me. Each to their own.

Please show me where the Tesla annihilates the Taycan, same track, same tires,same driver, same day, and no modifications to either car. As far as range goes, maybe you should look at real range from real tests and not epa numbers that do lie.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Please show me where the Tesla annihilates the Taycan, same track, same tires,same driver, same day, and no modifications to either car. As far as range goes, maybe you should look at real range from real tests and not epa numbers that do lie.

Taycan vs Plaid
By the way, I am not sure how the same driver drives both cars in the same race.... So I can't do that.
EPA tests cars the same way. They don't lie.

It's great that you like your car.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Taycan vs Plaid
By the way, I am not sure how the same driver drives both cars in the same race.... So I can't do that.
EPA tests cars the same way. They don't lie.

It's great that you like your car.

Drag race is crap, it’s not a road course. Show me a road course. Last time I looked the Taycan was fastest around the Nurburgring and Tesla was going to beat that time, but I never heard back… And EPA numbers always get manipulated, Elon is allowed to run the smallest, lightest tires for epa. Then during magazine tests he can run the biggest tires. You really should educate yourself on how manufacturers game the system for EPA mileage tests. There is a reason the epa ratings for a Tesla don’t equate to real life. Porsche Taycan has an EPA rating of 203 and got 323. Tesla, not so good.
https://insideevs.com/news/487329/tesla-fails-meet-epa-range-edmunds-tests/

 

[JeffKeryk]

Drag race is crap, it’s not a road course. Show me a road course. Last time I looked the Taycan was fastest around the Nurburgring and Tesla was going to beat that time, but I never heard back… And EPA numbers always get manipulated, Elon is allowed to run the smallest, lightest tires for epa. Then during magazine tests he can run the biggest tires. You really should educate yourself on how manufacturers game the system for EPA mileage tests. There is a reason the epa ratings for a Tesla don’t equate to real life. Porsche Taycan has an EPA rating of 203 and got 323. Tesla, not so good.
https://insideevs.com/news/487329/tesla-fails-meet-epa-range-edmunds-tests/

I keep answering your questions and you keep moving the goal posts...
Tesla has not had an official run at the 'ring.
Here is a recent article. This stuff is easy to find. Plaid at the 'ring
The Taycan Turbo S is the fastest EV on record; the Tesla Plaid will likely be the fastest production 4 door sedan. But not yet.

Again, I'm glad you like your car. I like it too.

 

[Vercingetorix]

I keep answering your questions and you keep moving the goal posts...
Tesla has not had an official run at the 'ring.
Here is a recent article. This stuff is easy to find. Plaid at the 'ring
The Taycan Turbo S is the fastest EV on record; the Tesla Plaid will likely be the fastest production 4 door sedan. But not yet.

Again, I'm glad you like your car. I like it too.

No, my goals are simple. Same car, same track, same driver, same tires in stock form. Tesla has had years to run around the Nurburgring. If they were faster, they would have annihilated the Taycan like you said. Your link is crap. It is 2 years old and proves nothing Show me how Tesla is faster around any track vs the Taycan. I can only surmise that the Tesla suffers from brake fade, and cannot finish a true test.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Next time anybody think Tesla is 10 years ahead on range please read:
These tests from Edmunds also calculated how energy efficient these EVs are. If you thought a Tesla would beat all competition in that regard, that was definitely not the case. According to Edmunds, the most efficient EV for sale among the 15 it tested was the Hyundai Ioniq Electric, with an energy consumption of only 20.8 kWh/100 miles. Norwegian tests said it is also the most efficient in cold weather.

 

[Ws6]

We have one at work. Meh. Maybe it looks good in White? This one is a darker color, looks very pedestrian. Not impressed.