Android is all about options, you can get a Pixel and have an experience similar to the iPhone you described, select from high end devices from various manufacturers that will also provide a very nice experience, or you can get a $50 Motorola loaded with bloatware from Tracfone that will work just fine for grandma who just needs a phone so she can call someone if she gets a flat tire coming home from bingo. Added bonus, Candy Crush will be preinstalled so she can kill some time waiting for help!
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Android is all about options, you can get a Pixel and have an experience similar to the iPhone you described, select from high end devices from various manufacturers that will also provide a very nice experience, or you can get a $50 Motorola loaded with bloatware from Tracfone that will work just fine for grandma who just needs a phone so she can call someone if she gets a flat tire coming home from bingo. Added bonus, Candy Crush will be preinstalled so she can kill some time waiting for help!
Fake news@alarmguy I replied to your assertion that Android is a less secure platform and because of that, more than 50% of people use Apple. Now you're flipping your argument to devices
But the Android system is very close to 50% used in US, are you saying all of these people are not secured?
What about the rest of the world where Android has over 70% use rate? Is iOS less secure in those countries?
After all, "facts are facts".
all your “assertions” in your reply to me. Don’t even know how you came up with that. Yeah I guess I do see how? Could have been worded better I guess.Doesn’t change the fact, Android is less secure, the App Store has a lot of junk in it, how an individual cell phone manufacturer uses the Android system can be hit or miss is my assertion that it is more like the Wild West compared to the closed Apple system
BTW - this is simple common sense stuff.
May this will explain the “facts”
https://us.norton.com/blog/mobile/android-vs-ios-which-is-more-secure
“Since Android devices are made by a wide range of manufacturers, standardizing security measures across the platform is extremely difficult.“ …
“If you choose an Android, do your research and buy from a high-quality manufacturer with a good reputation for security.”
Do they say this about Apple? No, because it’s a closed system. Just common sense.
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I’ve never heard of this and will try it.
It’s good to have a choice !Which is why Apple is boring.
Or make believe you are young like me. I just avoid looking in the mirror!!!
Sometimes you just gotta be cool. You know?
Source-
https://www.bloomberg.com/company/p...hones-to-rivals-finds-bloomberg-intelligence/
Btw- I’m not dismissing anyone’s choice to have an Android device. It’s seems some get upset if you chose an Apple device based on sound reasons and uses.
Our 2 iPhones integrate seamlessly (most all the time) with our 2 Apple watches, 2 Mac Mini desktops and one MacBook Air
It really is a nice thoughtless process sharing data among them.
It ain’t all roses for me though. What product is?
I hate Siri most times she is useless, speech to text is poor, the cursor in text messaging is a PITA and I hate the iPhone keypad which is why like right now in the middle of night I sometimes re read my posts at a later time and wonder how I made all those typos
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I’ll admit sometimes walking on the wild side is funWhich is why Apple is boring.
been there done that more than most ever willIn addition to the uBlock Origin add-on for Firefox, I also recommend the Video Background Play Fix add-on. It will let you listen to videos in the background while inside another app, or with the screen off.
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Yes, precisely my point (the swing and a miss comment was in regards to the one you quoted). Though I wouldn't say Android is inherently about options, that's a byproduct of it being an OS only, it's device agnostic, unlike IOS, which is part of the "Apple Experience".
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I've sorta come full circle on this bit.Which is why Apple is boring.
I started out with Blackberry, which "just worked", then went Android, then went Windows phone, then back to Blackberry, then iPhone, then back to Android. I was rooting my Android phone, running Cyanogenmod at the time, with a different launcher and keyboard. That was fun for a while, but then my phone being a project got a bit old and I pivoted back to iPhone again, and my last 4 or 5 phones have now been iPhones that "just work", and I'm OK with that, happy in fact. If I want a project, I'll install NetBSD on unsupported hardware.
I've got Cisco ISR's that have been running for years, same with switches, sometimes boring is good.
As enthusiasts, I think we sometimes like the "never ending" projects, regardless of what space those are in. But as I've gotten older, and maybe it's just because I work in IT and deal with it every day, but I now appreciate being able to get something to a point where I don't need to touch it (beyond security updates) because it's "done". My PiHole HP mini and encrypted DNS proxy is a prime example of that, I recently upgraded the version of Ubuntu Server it is running on, and it was mostly painless, aside from some loopback issues. There was a time when I would have been like "OK, this works and was relatively easy, I should see if I can make it work on FreeBSD!" and burn it all down and spend days doing exactly that, for no real purpose other than the challenge. I'm more measured in challenging myself now, I'll leave what works alone and maybe try something on separate hardware now or in a VM, not break what's working for the motivation to force myself to do it differently.
I wouldn't put an Android device as an "enthusiast's" project. After all almost 50% of Americans have an Android device, they surely are not the type to constantly tinker with their phones. My old Galaxy S8 Plus was a device that just works. In fact I still use it to this day when I travel to Europe because the eSIM in my iPhone 14 is not worth the hassle and there are better deals on physical SIM card plans. I use it as a wifi hotspot and whenever I need to call or text locally. It simply works.
iPhones have a big advantage from the software updates point. Android quickly become "obsolete" due to lack of updates, even if the hardware is still perfectly fine. Like my S8, the hardware can definitely go the distance, but with no security updates, I would be hesitant to use it with banking/purchasing apps.
iPhones have a big advantage from the software updates point. Android quickly become "obsolete" due to lack of updates, even if the hardware is still perfectly fine. Like my S8, the hardware can definitely go the distance, but with no security updates, I would be hesitant to use it with banking/purchasing apps.
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But it can be, if you choose to make it, just like going Gentoo or God forbid, LFS if you want an OS challenge on a PC. iPhone can't be, it's a closed ecosystem.
No, just like most people with a Windows PC aren't doing major customization either, but you can, if you want to.
Yes, the obsolescence thing with Android drives me
. I bought a Lenovo tablet ages ago, it was nicely sized, but was almost instantly abandonware by Lenovo, while iPad's from the same period were getting updates for YEARS! It's brutal. I ended up rooting it and installing an aftermarket OS, but all the hardware wasn't supported and it was not really restored to being "usable", despite my efforts. My parents have some android tablets (Samsung) that are now borderline useless because they got like 2 OS updates and then *abandoned*. Meanwhile, my mom's iPad is 4 years old and still "current". Hell, the Blackberry Playbook, which was like a Hail Mary pass by a company rapidly tanking got better long-term support than most Android tablets 
But it can be, if you choose to make it, just like going Gentoo or God forbid, LFS if you want an OS challenge on a PC. iPhone can't be, it's a closed ecosystem.
No, just like most people with a Windows PC aren't doing major customization either, but you can, if you want to.
Yes, the obsolescence thing with Android drives me
Oh yes, they definitely can be, no dispute there. I just wanted to clarify the "normie" experience that's all, because many iPhone people think owning an Android means you have to constantly tinker with it just to make it work. It used to be true with the early Android OS, but that was long time ago.
Another plus I'll give to the iPhone is lack of bloatware. Just like with Windows, some of the cheaper Androids are just loaded with bloat making them a lot slower than otherwise they would've been. This probably pushes more people towards iPhones than anything else IMO.
I bought my Pixel 7a exactly one year ago. Great phone. I grabbed a Pixel tablet this summer after my Samsung Tab S5E died from a water spill. Everything integrates with Google extremely well but the tablet cannot run some apps that the phone can.
My wife has an iPhone and an iPad. I find both quirky and useless.
on ios you can install adguard and it blocks ads in safari.
also want to point out to some who may be mislead, you said no yt ads, but really that only applies to yt vids playing in ffox. the ads in the yt app can't be blocked afaik unless it's blocked at the router level with something like a pihole
western europe is an obscure place?
I work in big tech. Here are my observations:
Silent generation (yes we still have a few): 100% Apple users.
Boomers: 30/70 Android to Apple.
Gen X: 50/50 Android to Apple.
Early millennials: 70/30 Android to Apple.
Late millennials: 40/60 Android to Apple.
Gen Z: 10/90 Android to Apple.
I noticed this clear line in the sand for Gen Z so I started chatting with my more recent Gen Z hires and it seems that they prefer Apple because of the audio quality of their music. They are the first generation with unlimited music being available everywhere, anytime, on demand for a few dollars per month and as such, they have become a generation of audiophiles. They have external DACs at their desks with giant headphones with external drivers and whatnot. Some of them are paying well over $1000 for a set of wired headphones. Then, when they are on the move, they just pop in their AirPods which connect in under 1 second, and they have uninterrupted music.
Gen Z also has a strong preference for Apple Music over all other music platforms because it all users lossless quality for all music and a ton of 24-bit/192 kHz music. No other platform gives them that. They joke about their few friends that are still stuck on Spotify because the company has been promising lossless quality audio as “six months away” since 2021. Not going to lie, Gen Z is who convinced me to convert from Napster and Amazon Music over to Apple Music and from Bose over to AirPods Pro and even a non-audiophile can hear the difference in sound quality.
Interestingly, my Gen Z hires state that they care very little about their data privacy because they assume that everything is spying on them and that nothing stays a secret forever.
Silent generation (yes we still have a few): 100% Apple users.
Boomers: 30/70 Android to Apple.
Gen X: 50/50 Android to Apple.
Early millennials: 70/30 Android to Apple.
Late millennials: 40/60 Android to Apple.
Gen Z: 10/90 Android to Apple.
I noticed this clear line in the sand for Gen Z so I started chatting with my more recent Gen Z hires and it seems that they prefer Apple because of the audio quality of their music. They are the first generation with unlimited music being available everywhere, anytime, on demand for a few dollars per month and as such, they have become a generation of audiophiles. They have external DACs at their desks with giant headphones with external drivers and whatnot. Some of them are paying well over $1000 for a set of wired headphones. Then, when they are on the move, they just pop in their AirPods which connect in under 1 second, and they have uninterrupted music.
Gen Z also has a strong preference for Apple Music over all other music platforms because it all users lossless quality for all music and a ton of 24-bit/192 kHz music. No other platform gives them that. They joke about their few friends that are still stuck on Spotify because the company has been promising lossless quality audio as “six months away” since 2021. Not going to lie, Gen Z is who convinced me to convert from Napster and Amazon Music over to Apple Music and from Bose over to AirPods Pro and even a non-audiophile can hear the difference in sound quality.
Interestingly, my Gen Z hires state that they care very little about their data privacy because they assume that everything is spying on them and that nothing stays a secret forever.
The only thing I question is the overall validity of your anecdotal observations.
OK Kidding, I know a few Silent Gen people, most have no cell phone and none have Apple. Never met a person over 80 or so with an Apple device.
