Done with manual trans.

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Originally Posted By: jcwit
Never thought I'd go to an automatic, well I got old and my knees have failed me and an auto is all thats left.
You have a very good reason to go with an automatic. I don't fault you one bit, but would recommend a full manual valve body on that automatic and a performance shifter. Still, working the clutch is at least half the fun of the manual transmission.

Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
-- sometimes when I'm in 5th and I reach for the shift lever to upshift, and I end up putting it back in 5th.
Yep, I do that sometimes.

Originally Posted By: mjoekingz28
...But before you give up on standards, use MTL if you're specced for ATF or 70w80 and use MT90 if you're specced for 75w90.
Redline MTL did the trick for my '95 F150, was much better than Redline D4 ATF or anything else. Go too thick and you will clash gears as the syncros won't work right, also may burn up a bearing if you have any that are splash lubed, like in my transmission.

Originally Posted By: hpichris
The day manuals stop existing, is the day I quit living.
I won't go that far, but that will be the day I get into driving old restored vehicles. I could really get a kick out of having a three-on-the-tree shifted vehicle, like my '77 F100. I could shift that one left handed. If you replace worn linkage the three-on-the-tree is fine, but if it gets worn badly, you'll be doing the find-em-and-grind-em shift lever dance--ah the great memories, stopping on the side of the road to unjam the linkage after over 100,000 miles of wear.

Originally Posted By: ClarkB
I'm not quite sure what is so exciting about manually shifting gears that makes driving more enjoyable than letting an auto do it for you. It doesn't really makes sense to me that driving a shift-stick is more exciting when most people admit that driving a shift-stick is best done on the highway where you are not shifting all that much. If shifting is so much fun how come people don't like doing it in stop and go traffic?

A manual transmission makes you much more a part of the machine. I like the simplicity too. I am not particulary fond of driving a manual on the freeway because I do like rowing through the gears, so city driving is the best. Only time it's a pain in the neck is in a really bad back up and I don't recall many of those that really bothered me, mostly stop and go traffic is a hassle if something isn't working right, maybe your clutch is going out, or the slave cylinder is binding and it is a pain to work, but when the mechanicals are in order, I don't mind having to engage the clutch 5 times a minute for a hour long jam. Now in my '77 it was a different story, full manual linkage no power steering etc, and manual steering, I was in my 20s and was getting knee and elbow pain driving that thing towards the end of it's life.
 
Oh I don't know. Hills don't give me any problem. I guess if you live in a hilly area it could be a problem. I recall driving in the Hocking Hills of Ohio, (south of Columbus) and loving it because there were all these twists and turns and you were always going back and fourth between 3rd and 4th gear.
 
Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
Originally Posted By: ClarkB
Have you checked out many common models and compared auto vs. manual? The difference is, in some cases, non-existent.


Three pedals > two pedals. That is a difference.

My left leg needs something to do, so it won't feel redundant.


Way to ignore the issue! I guess you proved your point to yourself, hopefully no one else is falling for this sort of tripe. Also, if your left leg is feeling redundant, may I recommend walking somewhere?

My statement still stands: check out current year models and tell me what the great advantage to a manual transmission is when it comes to fuel economy.

Clark
 
Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
It sounds like some people just never learned to shift properly, if they don't think they can do it as well as a really simple program.


This quote is an insult to me personnally. More than likely I've been driving stick shifts longer than you've been here on earth. This encludes Corvetts, various Camaro's, a couple of English Sports cars, and many family sedans and station wagons and pick-up's that my wife could never drive.

And now because of issues from getting older and injuries received while in the service of our country I'm no longer able to use a clutch, you imply I cannot use a standard shift properly. Get a grip, better hope and pray that nothing ever happens to you and your use of any of your arm and leg functions.
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
It sounds like some people just never learned to shift properly, if they don't think they can do it as well as a really simple program.


This quote is an insult to me personnally. More than likely I've been driving stick shifts longer than you've been here on earth. This encludes Corvetts, various Camaro's, a couple of English Sports cars, and many family sedans and station wagons and pick-up's that my wife could never drive.

And now because of issues from getting older and injuries received while in the service of our country I'm no longer able to use a clutch, you imply I cannot use a standard shift properly. Get a grip, better hope and pray that nothing ever happens to you and your use of any of your arm and leg functions.


You have a valid reason to own a car without a clutch. I prefer one, thank you very much.
 
Sometimes I do miss the manual transmission in my old truck. Even with the little I4, it would smoke one of the rear tires when I dumped the clutch. It was also fun shifting at 5500 RPM. Maintaining the M5OD is very easy too.

What wasn't as fun was driving in Charlotte traffic with it everyday. After a while I just wanted something else as my daily driver.

I like the automatic in my current truck. It's good for bad traffic and towing. I also think it makes driving in snow and mud a little easier. It's just not as much fun when there's a stretch of road I can go WOT on.
 
Clarification: Hills with stop lights on the top. Blecch.

Try doing that with a left foot that doesn't work. It ain't fun. I lost my "Manual Trans Jones" after my back went out and foot with it. Automatics ain't cheap, but an Automatic it is....

and driving rush hour in Chicago out to the 'burbs with a manual trans...wow...I HATED that.

The more rural you are, the more likely a manual trans is a better choice IMO.
 
Originally Posted By: ToyotaNSaturn

The more rural you are, the more likely a manual trans is a better choice IMO.



That's my thought. Looks like I have a buyer for the Ranger.. it will be messed. Driving a Festiva for a while till I find the right $500 F150/auto. The clutch is breeze on it though.
 
As much as I enjoy driving stick I wouldn't drive one if I had to sit in traffic every day. Driving stick is better with open roads
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Once you can drive a stick you can drive pretty much anything with 5 or 6 gears and synchronized transmission. Of course driving a different stick shift car takes a few shifts to get a feel for the clutch but once you get the meat and potatoes of driving stick you can drive anything.

I agree that trucks are harder to drive and take more time to get used to. My dad's 1997 Chevy S10 with a 5 speed with no tach was pretty tough to drive. That truck required lots of gas in 1st gear and the engine was either smooth or it either stalled out. Didn't really have any leeway
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Some vehicles will take more time to get use to than others. My brother's 2008 Honda Accord is a breeze to drive....most forgiving clutch I've ever driven. I was able to drive it like I owned it the first time I started it.
 
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Originally Posted By: ClarkB
Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
Originally Posted By: ClarkB
Have you checked out many common models and compared auto vs. manual? The difference is, in some cases, non-existent.


Three pedals > two pedals. That is a difference.

My left leg needs something to do, so it won't feel redundant.


Way to ignore the issue! I guess you proved your point to yourself, hopefully no one else is falling for this sort of tripe. Also, if your left leg is feeling redundant, may I recommend walking somewhere?

My statement still stands: check out current year models and tell me what the great advantage to a manual transmission is when it comes to fuel economy.

Clark


Physics still stands. Compare gear ratios, differentials, and then the 0-60 time vs. the mpg. Guarantee that if you slow your right foot in the manual down to the automatic's slower 0-60, you will get huge mileage difference in almost all models. They get the automatic to get similar mileage by killing the performance. Just like it always has been.
 
Originally Posted By: lexus114
Originally Posted By: jigen
If I was stuck in city traffic on a normal basis, I would also go to an auto.


You must live in central Pa then.


Suburb outside of Philly actually, lol. We can get some traffic around rush hour but nothing I can't tolerate. If I lived or worked in center city though, it would be tough to keep my manual.
 
Originally Posted By: TallPaul
Reason there are so few manual transmissions is the masses want automatics.

And to think manual transmissions were once called "standard transmissions." I wish they were still standard. I have a hard time driving some automatics, namely the one in my wife's '92 3.0 Aerostar. It's always going into gears I don't want it in. Wife says I don't know how to drive an automatic.

If I ever get stuck with an automatic, I'll have a shift kit put in to make it work better, and maybe a manual valve body and better shift lever.


That`s funny you say that,because every time I say "My car`s a standard",people look at me and say,"It`s a what?"
 
Originally Posted By: ToyotaNSaturn
Driving in rush-hour traffic with a manual is the pits. Add some hills, it's less than fun.


Plus the dolts that pull up within inches of your bumper.
 
Hey it really isn't that different if you think about it. An experienced driver of a manual transmission vehicle pretty much does not think about all the shifting and clutch work, it becomes second nature, or I should say it becomes rather ..... "automatic."
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In fact, I sometimes reach for the shift lever when driving my wife's automatic.
 
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Originally Posted By: jigen
Originally Posted By: lexus114
Originally Posted By: jigen
If I was stuck in city traffic on a normal basis, I would also go to an auto.


You must live in central Pa then.


Suburb outside of Philly actually, lol. We can get some traffic around rush hour but nothing I can't tolerate. If I lived or worked in center city though, it would be tough to keep my manual.

I drive rt22 for 30 miles every day, it is CAKE compared to driving I-78 into NJ. in 4 years, been stuck in traffic maybe a handful of times.
back on topic, I've thought of going to an auto, esp since the difference in mpg is not as pronounced as it used to be. but, I'm staying. looking now at a Mazda5 manual to replace my Saturn VUE manual. drove the 5 the other day, and Mazda really got it right w/ that car!
 
I have both in my fleet. both have there pros and cons. I don't mind the manual in my jeep but on big obstacles sometimes wish it was an auto. In day to day driving it doesn't bother me at all(6 speed) Autos are nice on trips and in traffic and I prefer them for towing.
 
Sports Cars: Manual Transmission
Luxury Cars: Auto Transmission
Manly Trucks: Manual Transmission
Mini Vans: Auto Transmission
Econo Car: Manual Transmission
Winter Beater: Any Transmission

High Traffic: AUTO Transmission!!!
 
I just can't get a pickup with an automatic. Don't care if it's big or little, gas or diesel, old or new. You can't even buy a Silverado or F150 with a manual anymore. So wrong. Give me a '67-72 F-250 with a low-compression 360-2V and a T-18 or NP435 with that granny low. Last one I had, I could slowly release the clutch with NO throttle application and go up through the gears and be going 20-25mph on level ground. So solid, over 320lbs of torque below 2000rpm, sure it was dog slow but it was also tough. It was the perfect vehicle to follow my kids down to the bus stop in granny gear in the mornings. If it was cold they'd ride with me in the cab. That truck is for sale on the Dallas CL and I wish I had the money to buy it back. But he's asking $400 more than the $800 he paid me for it, it runs like garbage (carb and choke are gummed up) and the brakes have NOT been fixed. I'm hoping he changes his mind about trying to turn a profit and lets me have it for the $800 again.
 
Originally Posted By: Eric Smith


Clutch has been that way since I got it at 50 miles. The only thing I've did was suck out the reservoir a few times and replace with Dot 3/4. No air got into the system as it didn't change. Maybe that's the problem it's not broke in yet.


I had the same thing with two Rangers. Both used. Thought the clutch was going. Took 'em to a guy who could bleed it and no problems since. Some weird procedure to get it right. I wonder if they come not bled properly from the factory. Trust me $50 and it runs like new.

I'm at 180k on the original clutch and it is driven like sports car.
 
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