Done to death

Have you heard of the @Patman flush?
I will be the first to admit that was a bit wasteful, although I did it whenever I was switching a different car over to GC 0w-30 for the first time and wanted the first UOA to not be mixed in with the previous oil (I wanted to see how well GC held its viscosity in those different applications)
 
I will be the first to admit that was a bit wasteful, although I did it whenever I was switching a different car over to GC 0w-30 for the first time and wanted the first UOA to not be mixed in with the previous oil (I wanted to see how well GC held its viscosity in those different applications)
I think it's clever
 
Welcome to the fold OP!

Amateurs! I install the drain plug as soon as the stream of oil breaks into drips! No waiting! Why? Because of possible air-born contamination! All of that oil coated steel within the engine is a magnet for dust and debris!

Ok - I'm not that bad but it has crossed my mind.

Also, for us Overly Concerned Dudes, don't watch your food being prepared.
 
Such a lightweight topic! What about the Infidels that siphon through the dipstick, never pull the drain plug to get the last few drops of old oil out, and only change the filter every other OCI! Asking for a friend…….
The threads in my Touareg's oil pan are higher than the bottom of the pan, so I get more out via extraction. 😛
 
I will be the first to admit that was a bit wasteful, although I did it whenever I was switching a different car over to GC 0w-30 for the first time and wanted the first UOA to not be mixed in with the previous oil (I wanted to see how well GC held its viscosity in those different applications)
Your UOA likely contained 20% of the old oil in the galleries anyway. The "flush" was just for your wallet.
 
Your UOA likely contained 20% of the old oil in the galleries anyway. The "flush" was just for your wallet.
My flush would’ve gotten out a lot more of the old oil than that. What I used to do was drain the oil and then put the plug back on and add 2 liters of new oil. Then I would idle the engine for about 30 seconds and then drain that oil. So after doing that, there was likely less than 5% of whatever oil was previously there before that short flush.
 
My flush would’ve gotten out a lot more of the old oil than that. What I used to do was drain the oil and then put the plug back on and add 2 liters of new oil. Then I would idle the engine for about 30 seconds and then drain that oil. So after doing that, there was likely less than 5% of whatever oil was previously there before that short flush.
For example on my VQ above - 1.25 quarts stays in. So you add 2 quarts and your ratio is now 62% new and 38% old. You pull your 2 quarts out which is now 38% old so you now have 1.25 - 0.38(2.0) = 0.49 quarts of old left. So I suppose - you removed 3/4 of a quart of the old stuff. I guess if it matters that much. 🤷‍♂️

Of course I best never hear you telling people a short OCI is a waste of money. :ROFLMAO:
 
For example on my VQ above - 1.25 quarts stays in. So you add 2 quarts and your ratio is now 62% new and 38% old. You pull your 2 quarts out which is now 38% old so you now have 1.25 - 0.38(2.0) = 0.49 quarts of old left. So I suppose - you removed 3/4 of a quart of the old stuff. I guess if it matters that much. 🤷‍♂️

Of course I best never hear you telling people a short OCI is a waste of money. :ROFLMAO:
In some of the engines I put it in they only held 4 quarts of oil (such as my 2000 Civic and my sister’s 99 Civic). In those cases I think that maybe only a half quart of old oil might remain or maybe 13%. But in the case of my 98 Corvette, it might not have been quite as favorable.

It would actually be quite interesting to know approximately what percentage of old oil might remain after a typical 5-10 minute drain on different engines. The oil nerd in me is curious about that 🤓

And thankfully I have stopped wasting money like this so I can still scold the diehard 3k people 🤪
 
So one thing that I assume - is the path from oil fill hole to the pan different for each engine?

though mostly, it drains fairly “straight down”
 
Some of us may have experiemented with shop vac and various filtered-air-blowing schemes to try to get more oil out of the engine.


Thankfully, not me.
sir, no way. I am definitely NOT oil obsessed. I can quit any time I want to.
he's just like me frfr.

i'm so ocd, i have changed the oil on a government issued vehicle while in the military, it's probably the best oil that cruiser ever had in its short 3 year life (we beat the crap out of those cars, they would idle 24 hours a day on the flightline and given to us with 0% oil life on the monitor during 12 hour shifts, we would call it into BDOC for them to inform, but the motor pools didn't have vehicles for us). ***(i did this in mindcraft ofc)***
 
he's just like me frfr.

i'm so ocd, i have changed the oil on a government issued vehicle while in the military, it's probably the best oil that cruiser ever had in its short 3 year life (we beat the crap out of those cars, they would idle 24 hours a day on the flightline and given to us with 0% oil life on the monitor during 12 hour shifts, we would call it into BDOC for them to inform, but the motor pools didn't have vehicles for us). ***(i did this in mindcraft ofc)***
Who remembers the guy who changed his rental car’s oil?
 
I guess it must freak out some folks to keep the filter on for a 2nd OCI and leave a 1/2 quart of “ dirty” oil in the filter and oil galleries. And no, no chance I’ll drain the filter and put it back on. :cool:
Guilty as charged - I just can't bring myself to leave the filter on for two oil changes. Irrational, but so be it ...
 
In some of the engines I put it in they only held 4 quarts of oil (such as my 2000 Civic and my sister’s 99 Civic). In those cases I think that maybe only a half quart of old oil might remain or maybe 13%. But in the case of my 98 Corvette, it might not have been quite as favorable.

It would actually be quite interesting to know approximately what percentage of old oil might remain after a typical 5-10 minute drain on different engines. The oil nerd in me is curious about that 🤓

And thankfully I have stopped wasting money like this so I can still scold the diehard 3k people 🤪
I looked at a few, mostly Nissan and old Ford's. I would say most are 15-20% range.
 
I used to do all sorts of crazy stuff to eliminate the hand wringing of leaving even a drop of old oil in the engine. Now I just do extraction (oh the horrors :eek:) and let it suck until it stops. I figure the new oil is going to turn to used oil the first time I drive anyway, so why bother. Puts more obsession back into my OCD bank for something else 😁.
 
I used to. But after doing an experiment with my oil change pump, I decided it wasn't too important.
After removing the oil with my oil change pump through the dipstick, I removed the oil drain plug from the pan. I got about 2-3 oz. more oil out. The car was already up on ramps BTW.
In the grand scheme of things, that amount of oil is not going to make much difference if it is left in the engine.

Now, to be fair, this is a Mercedes, and they have been designed this way for a long time. In fact, topside oil changes have been one of MB's cost reduction efforts that increase service department profitability for quite a while.
I felt my ML320 Bluetec got more oil out the dipstick than drain plug. The specified 9 quarts (or was it liters?) filled to just below FULL on the dipstick when drained by suction out the dipstick tube. I was happy.
 
Hello everyone, this is my first post and I’m sure the topic has been discussed over and over but I’ve yet to see it. Does anyone else’s OCD kick in when changing the fluids in your vehicle the fact that it’s hard or not recommended to completely drain the pans? Any thoughts or experiences would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

I'm OCD enough to put my car on a lift or jack stands at all four corners so it's level when I do the change. I also change my oil and filter probably more often than even the craziest person on this forum. Shall I go on? :ROFLMAO:
 
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