Does This Guy Know What He's Talking About??
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Nope.
Hmmmm
This is not the first time I have seen this question/posting/link
Must be a good way to get new business?
This is not the first time I have seen this question/posting/link
Must be a good way to get new business?
I'm not sure what you're implying, but I'm an Amsoil user. I wanted input from people that, I suspect, know much more about the subject matter at hand than I do.
The used oil analysis in the used oil analysis section do not show appreciable and significant differences between the performance of Mobil 1 and the performance of Amsoil's products in similar applications.
I do not believe much of the highlighted text, including the hypothesis concerning additives, is very valid in practice. Mobil 1 is an excellent example of an extended drain oil, and the new EP version, with additional use of super-high viscosity index PAO and slightly thicker formulations should be even better.
I do not believe much of the highlighted text, including the hypothesis concerning additives, is very valid in practice. Mobil 1 is an excellent example of an extended drain oil, and the new EP version, with additional use of super-high viscosity index PAO and slightly thicker formulations should be even better.
If this were true, Amsoil would be responsible for some of the worst used oil analysis on this board. However, a quick search will show that Amsoil is responsible for some of the best used oil analysis posted.
Nope, this guy does not know what he is talking about. The 10-12% add package is disolved in, imagine this, synthetic oil. When you disolve 4cc's of table salt into 10cc's of water you end up with less than 10.5 cc's of solution. The addative package doesn't talk up very much space. Also, these additive packages aren't all detergents, but in many cases friction modifiers and anti-wear agents. These additives pick up where the base oil left off - THIS IS A GOOD THING.
Amsoil may have more of some additives, but it has less of others. I imagine the MSDS shows a similar amount of base oil for both. This guy's "3 times" comment is totally bogus and his theory behind it is completely blown out of the water with the introduction of Mobil's new EP line.
I also like how this guy says all synthetic oils are so good, but then finds a problem with everything but Mobil 1.
Amsoil may have more of some additives, but it has less of others. I imagine the MSDS shows a similar amount of base oil for both. This guy's "3 times" comment is totally bogus and his theory behind it is completely blown out of the water with the introduction of Mobil's new EP line.
I also like how this guy says all synthetic oils are so good, but then finds a problem with everything but Mobil 1.
I've learned that:
* multigrades get thicker as they heat up;
* Only PAO is truly synthetic;
* phosphorous is a sludge forming contaminant (which M1 doesn't contain);
* battery acid is phosphoric acid;
* EP additives are manufactured from zinc, copper and brass
as to the "3 times the additives of M1...must be all of that unobtanium that's not being tested for yet.
* multigrades get thicker as they heat up;
* Only PAO is truly synthetic;
* phosphorous is a sludge forming contaminant (which M1 doesn't contain);
* battery acid is phosphoric acid;
* EP additives are manufactured from zinc, copper and brass
as to the "3 times the additives of M1...must be all of that unobtanium that's not being tested for yet.
Ummmmm.....
Kinds old and worn out argument, IMHO.
(The ol' oil loads up theory)
Stick around here, learn and read. Sure oil gets dirty.......but a lot of other things happen with use, too!
(The ol' oil loads up theory)
Stick around here, learn and read. Sure oil gets dirty.......but a lot of other things happen with use, too!
I don't care for the Castrol products 'cuz they charge Group IV prices for Group III oil.
Wait a minute. He's slamming Castrol because it has "trace elements"(non PAO formula) and he's telling us that Super Tech synthetic is a "great deal" and it too is a Group III oil that contains those very same "trace elements"???
I don't deny this guy's experience, but, c'mon, at least be consistent!
I take it he's never heard of Lube Control..
[ March 22, 2005, 10:54 AM: Message edited by: ToyotaNSaturn ]
Schaeffer's blends are around 25% PAO. This guy needs to look at a few more MSDS's before he starts making statements like this.
Shannow wrote...
But it's true that Castrol is playing word games in the US with Syntec (not allowed in Europe). Friends that were using Syntec and found out what was going on bailed. No matter what Castrol does in the future, they are not going back. So the market for Syntec is those that read pretty labels and pick one.
I use a synthetic that is not a PAO, it's a polyol ester.
But it's true that Castrol is playing word games in the US with Syntec (not allowed in Europe). Friends that were using Syntec and found out what was going on bailed. No matter what Castrol does in the future, they are not going back. So the market for Syntec is those that read pretty labels and pick one.
I think overall it doesn't hold much water.
This author is not a well-read commentator on oil matters.
I think he probably has more false sentences than true ones. Below I've outlined the setences that are true.
===BEGIN TRUE SENTENCES===
So anyway, what I am saying is that it is the additive package that wears out, not the oil itself.
[TRUE! The base oil itself will continue to lubricate, and it's the properties imparted by the additives to the oil like TBN that will likely fail before the base oil loses its actual "lubricatingness". This is probably especially true with good synthetics, where the base oil is nearly indetructible.]
But to me, the most important reason that I use Mobil 1 is because there are no trace elements in it.
[Can't argue with him about his REASON for using Mobil 1. Although this is kind of a technicality, as his whole logic about "trace elements" seems to basically be non-sense.]
===END TRUE SENTENCES===
So, two true sentences out of 19.
As far as good sources to quote goes, he's probably at the bottom.
I think he probably has more false sentences than true ones. Below I've outlined the setences that are true.
===BEGIN TRUE SENTENCES===
So anyway, what I am saying is that it is the additive package that wears out, not the oil itself.
[TRUE! The base oil itself will continue to lubricate, and it's the properties imparted by the additives to the oil like TBN that will likely fail before the base oil loses its actual "lubricatingness". This is probably especially true with good synthetics, where the base oil is nearly indetructible.]
But to me, the most important reason that I use Mobil 1 is because there are no trace elements in it.
[Can't argue with him about his REASON for using Mobil 1. Although this is kind of a technicality, as his whole logic about "trace elements" seems to basically be non-sense.]
===END TRUE SENTENCES===
So, two true sentences out of 19.
As far as good sources to quote goes, he's probably at the bottom.
If the base oil never wears out, why doesn't someone offer a 100% base oil?
I'm guessing that question will be good for a few laughs.
I'm guessing that question will be good for a few laughs.
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