Does BG MOA Contain any ZDDP?

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I found a case of BG MOA in my late Fathers garage. I need a ZDDP additive for an old Ford engine that I'm rebuilding.

The MSDS sheet for this stuff shows one big, long word for Naptha and another big, long word for some Butane element.

My opinion of BG products for many years is that their advantage lies in the profits reaped by those selling it. That would explain naptha and a butane element.

Does anyone have any CONFIRMATION that this stuff does or does not contain any Zinc?

Thanks for your help,
Doc
 
Okay guys, thanks VERY much for the help and pointing me in the right direction.

As a BobIsTheOilGuy rookie, I did not know what VOA was. I now know and have a new source of detailed information at my fingertips thanks to everyones guidance.

NOW! I want to make sure I understand what I looked at. The analysis showed something like 1300 of zinc and phospherous. Am I correct in assuming that this is in Parts Per Million? If so, then when I pour that tiny little can in five quarts of oil, it will dillute that zinc and phospherous down to something less than a couple of hundred PPM. Is my thinking correct on this?

Thanks again for all the help.

The wealth of information on this forum is at least one order of magnitude greater than I thought.

Doc
 
MBDiagMan instead of playing chemist sell this stuff on Ebay and use Valvoline Maxlife 10w40 in that Ford engine. Maxlife will give you all the protection you need for that engine.
 
Originally Posted By: zddp77
MBDiagMan instead of playing chemist sell this stuff on Ebay and use Valvoline Maxlife 10w40 in that Ford engine. Maxlife will give you all the protection you need for that engine.


This is a hobbyist forum, and some people like to enjoy their hobbies. Just being on this forum you are probably paying more attention to oils than you should be. Why not let him do what he wants? Having more information is always a good thing.
 
Originally Posted By: zddp77
MBDiagMan instead of playing chemist sell this stuff on Ebay and use Valvoline Maxlife 10w40 in that Ford engine. Maxlife will give you all the protection you need for that engine.


Thanks very much for the advice. Selling the stuff on ebay is not a bad suggestion. I am, however, puzzled by the Max Life recommendation for my application. As I understand it, 1200 PPM zinc and phospherous are required for flat tappet applications. In checking the VOA for the Max Life it shows to be less than 800 PPM on both. Is there something that I'm missing?

Thanks for your help,
Doc
 
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I need a ZDDP additive for an old Ford engine that I'm rebuilding.

Or, you could use one of the 5-40, 10-30 (Rotella) or 15-40 HDEO's out there, or M1 10-40 or 15-50, all of which have been proven more than adequate for flat tappet applications.

Unless you're running a super radical cam in there, just slather lots of moly based break-in lube all over everything, break the thing in per mfr's instructions (we always varied the RPM's between 1,800 - 2,500 for the first 20-30 minutes) and you're good to go.
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Which Ford engine are you doing? Much of my misspent youth/middle-age (and many $$$) was spent wrenching on Fords.
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BTW - That 1200 PPM level doesn't seem to be etched in stone as a minimum anymore, as testing has shown more than adequate wear protection being provided by revised ratios of existing additives, as well as some different ones (like boron) being used.
 
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Originally Posted By: zddp77
MBDiagMan instead of playing chemist sell this stuff on Ebay and use Valvoline Maxlife 10w40 in that Ford engine. Maxlife will give you all the protection you need for that engine.


Thanks very much for the advice. Selling the stuff on ebay is not a bad suggestion. I am, however, puzzled by the Max Life recommendation for my application. As I understand it, 1200 PPM zinc and phospherous are required for flat tappet applications. In checking the VOA for the Max Life it shows to be less than 800 PPM on both. Is there something that I'm missing?

Thanks for your help,
Doc


You are not missing anything, his recommendation is not a good one. I'd follow the formula Molakule posted to see what PPM level an additive would get you.
 
Doc who told you you need at least 1200PPM of zinc or your engine will wear out, this is not true. Maxlife WILL do the job it has other additives for anti-wear protection. The above poster is clueless but if you have any seconds thoughts on Maxlife use 15w40 Delo 400.
 
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I need a ZDDP additive for an old Ford engine that I'm rebuilding.

Or, you could use one of the 5-40, 10-30 (Rotella) or 15-40 HDEO's out there, or M1 10-40 or 15-50, all of which have been proven more than adequate for flat tappet applications.

Unless you're running a super radical cam in there, just slather lots of moly based break-in lube all over everything, break the thing in per mfr's instructions (we always varied the RPM's between 1,800 - 2,500 for the first 20-30 minutes) and you're good to go.
thumbsup2.gif


Which Ford engine are you doing? Much of my misspent youth/middle-age (and many $$$) was spent wrenching on Fords.
whistle.gif


BTW - That 1200 PPM level doesn't seem to be etched in stone as a minimum anymore, as testing has shown more than adequate wear protection being provided by revised ratios of existing additives, as well as some different ones (like boron) being used.



This is a 64 model 289 in a Galaxie 500 fastback. It is not a super radical cam, only an RV. The valve springs are a little stouter than stock but not much. And yes, the gray moly assembly lube is already in place. I expect to crank it tonight or early in the morning.


Thanks to all for the recommendations. I've used Delo with great success in the past. In the last year or two it seemed that there was lots of information (maybe now it has proved to be misinformation) saying that the new CJ4 formula reduced the ZDDP concentration to an unacceptable level. In the research I've done here with everyones help in the last few days my concern has been alleviated. It seems that CJ4 only reduced the level by 10%.

Delo it is, and the BG MOA will collect dust.



Thanks again,
Doc
 
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This is a 64 model 289 in a Galaxie 500 fastback. It is not a super radical cam, only an RV. The valve springs are a little stouter than stock but not much. And yes, the gray moly assembly lube is already in place. I expect to crank it tonight or early in the morning.

It sounds like a winning combination. Hard to hurt a SB Ford.
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