Does anybody remember 911?

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I think it's important that we discuss 911. It seems to be forgotten in the war in Iraq yet it's the reason we went into Afghanistan and Iraq, created Dept. of Homeland Security, and enacted the Patriot Act. There is a site run by the survivors of victims who are pushing the 911 Commission to get answers. The web site provides a lot of information and questions. This is NOT Republican or Democrate. It goes back to Clinton's terms and before. Everyone really owes it to the victims and their families to look at this site.
http://www.911independentcommission.org/
 
Well I am personally fed up with the greed of many of the victims' families with their bags of money. I think it's a well known fact that a bunch of Arabs flew a couple of planes into the WTC- What more answers do they want from the Commission???.

The answer on what went wrong is pretty obvious: We have no control or knowledge of immigrants whereabouts in this country. A million investigations will not change the fact that we don't seem to want to do much about it.

I agree with you though that we should remember when we get complacent about people who are trying to kill us.
 
I remember every day. I work at NORAD/US NORTHERN Command. The military command responsible for the defense of North America. We are working 24/7 to thwart another attack on North America.

Not perfect, but we are watching for indications of another attempt. I am sure that some folks think that the flight cancellations or delays are just a pain; but they are not done for no reason. We live in a free and open country and no one remembers that more than those of us who defend it.

Cheers, Doug
 
It comes up all the time. I think about the sad fact that there are people we used to think of allies that blame us for 9/11/01. They say we are to blame and somehow deserved it....if that doesn't sound whacked enough, there are people that say that we actually did it....the CIA did it....just crazy a$$ stuff because they can't handle the truth. Another commission? I don't think anyone even believes all the cable shows on the "truth" about JFK's assassination...

I dunno what will happen long term. But some of the high level ba$tard$ are nailed, and the remainder hide like the ficling rats they truly are. Any religion that supported this is not a religion, it's a united satan front....

So yes 9/11 is remembered as a key moment in history...a calling card as to what these people really are. I'm glad we don't have a President that caved to them. The next guy says he has a spine, had a spine in 'Nam....I think he'll crap his drawers and run when they come at us again.
 
Yes, many of us remember 9-11 and follow the commission in the media. But we've all been greatly distracted by a war...in Iraq...which had NOTHING to do with 9-11...while Bin Laden remains on the loose...not in Iraq, but in Afghanistan...while terrorist bombings and attacks continue on a daily basis in newly "liberated" Iraq...with close to 600 U.S. personnel killed so far and counting...and no end in sight.

By the way, you're talking about the commission which the Bush Administration has stonewalled since its creation, correct? The panel who's establishment Bush fought for months, the commision that is PREVENTED from investigating how the White House used the intelligence it was provided, correct? Just wanted to make sure we're talkin' about the same commission...

I'd sleep very, very soundly knowing that a veteran, decorated battlefield commander such Kerry or Clark is in the White House during any terrorist threat, rather than someone who spent much of the Vietnam era drunk and AWOL while partying in Texas.

[ February 18, 2004, 11:42 PM: Message edited by: TC ]
 
I hate to say this but I think there are quite a lot of people in this country that want to put 911 into the past. The families of the victims can never put it in the past. We MUST, simply MUST, deal with the evil people who did this. If we do not get those evil people this can happen again. It is not going to be easy. The leaders of this evil hide like the rats that they are. You do not see the top guys going on suicide missions. There are countries that support this terrorism and whoever the future presidents are will have to deal with the evil leadership in these countries. WE ARE IN A WAR. Go ahead and laugh. WE ARE IN A WAR.

These creatures who claim to fight for Allah (God) will do anything they can to our country. They will use nuclear weapons if they can get them. They will use dirty bombs. They will poison our water and food supplies. They will use chemical weapons. They will use biological weapons. There are leaders in other countries who want to harm our country and hide behind these terrorists. They are cowards, using somebody else to fight their battles. They would not dare stand against us in a conventional war. We cannot just try to defend our country. We must take the battle to the enemies. We must destroy these terrorists who threaten us and make an example out of them so that others who would follow in their footsteps will have something to think about. I am not a radical. I am just an old man loyal to America. Maybe you think this country is a joke. Maybe you think being loyal to America is old-fashioned or silly. Maybe you do not appreciate this country. Maybe you have never experienced poverty. I have. So laugh at what I say. Our country is in grave danger. What does it take to wake some people up? Perhaps some people have had lives of too great ease.

If we do not deal with these evil people they will keep coming. Others will join them. Things could get a great deal worse then they are right now. Now you may be thinking-this old man does not know what he is talking about. He is some kind of radical.

I used to consider myself a liberal. I am a Democrat (forgotten by the Democratic Party). I care about people. I do not believe in racism, ethnic discrimination, or religious hatred. There was a time when I thought I was a liberal. I don't know what you have to believe to be considered a liberal today. So maybe now I am a conservative. Whatever. The labels are silly anyway. The only important thing is to do what is right-not necessarily what is popular or what is politically expediate-to do what is right. We stand at a crossroads in history. Which trail will we take?
 
"I think someone is very confused..... "

As a Navy lieutenant commanding a swift boat in the Mekong Delta, Kerry was awarded the following commendations:

-One Silver Star (gallantry in action)
-Three Purple Hearts (wounded during combat)
-Two Bronze Stars (meritorious service)

Any other history you'd like to revise, Pablo..?
 
Battlefield commander does not equal a small boat captain - oops I mean lieutenant, so please quit pumping this guy up by revising history.

[ February 19, 2004, 10:15 PM: Message edited by: Pablo ]
 
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Originally posted by TC:
"I think someone is very confused..... "

As a Navy lieutenant commanding a swift boat in the Mekong Delta, Kerry was awarded the following commendations:

-One Silver Star (gallantry in action)
-Three Purple Hearts (wounded during combat)
-Two Bronze Stars (meritorious service)

Any other history you'd like to revise, Pablo..?
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Did he throw those medals away or was it the medals of others-I forget.
 
I tried to keep my original post non partisan, and force myself not to be on this issue. The purpose of this commission is not to get more money for 911 victims. I would think that when our government(s) fail in such a drastic way and that the questions brought about by this commission are not being answered (stonewalled) we would all want to hold our government officials feet to the fire and find the truth. We complain every day about failure of government yet some of us also complain about government being held accountable. I can not believe that this political act was "just" a single isolated unconnected act of murder. If there is no linkage to foreign policy (past and present) why did we pull all our troops out of Saudi Arabia after this attack? Why would we want to put the murder of 3000 people behind us without knowing the full story? How could we put it behind us without these issues being resolved. I have learned to always follow your cynicism to the truth.
 
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I would think that when our government(s) fail in such a drastic way
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Like the command at Pearl Habor failed.

Like the designers of the Titanic, Britanic, and Olymic failed.

Like the first volenteer fireman who wet down a trailer full of pure sodium (or some other substance that explodes when hit w/ H20) blew himself up?


They never expected it coming from that direction. You just can't call the lack of anticipation of every possible incident "failure".

Have you checked if any meteor activity is present before walking outside??? If you get injured or killed by a meteorite ...you failed to protect yourself against that (in hindsight) distinct possibility.

Blame in the aftermath is "socially typical" behavior. We hate to see someone going postal kill themselves after they slaughter 13 people because we are robbed of our need to blame ...our required pound of flesh for the violation. 9/11 wasn't a case of some train conductor doing coke and plowing into a stopped train. It was a well planned attack that exploited our vulerability as a free society.

What are you supposed to do ...do a sphincter check of everyone JUST in case one of us MIGHT be carrying a "dirty bomb" ..totally pe-emptively??

You gotta blame someone...it feels so much better if you get to roast someone for your displaced anxiety.

[ February 20, 2004, 10:44 AM: Message edited by: Gary Allan ]
 
At this point we don't know who to blame because the various government agencies and the airlines are not being cooperative with a legitimate commission. What are they trying to hid? Why do we conduct airline crash investigations, isn't it to assess blame and find a reason so it won't happen again? If a relative of yours was killed in an airline crash would you want to know who and why? Why do we do crime scene investigations if it's not to find out who and why. It's not a question of being anal about safety it's a question of wondering why we spend billions of dollars to government agencies to protect us and then they don't do the job they're paid to do and not only that, no one is fired, demoted, or even reprimanded. Have you looked at the web site?
 
Oh stuff it. The big problem is that one of the poorest excuses of a man ever, ignored the first attack and a continuing series of other attacks. In the mean time, he gutted our intelligence agencies leaving them isolated and unable to work together. This gave the terorists the preception America was too guttless to defend itself. George Bush barely had his FBI director confirmed before 911. Yes our government failed, but it was the one Bill Cinton built.
 
Come on people, we know who is responsible for 9-11. Osama bin Laden openly boasted of his 'great achievement' in a video that was made by al Qaeda. What more proof do you need? Instead we are now going to blame Bush? The CIA? President Bush had barely been president for how long-something like six months? If you are going to try to put blame on the CIA for not finding out about the coming attack then that blame needs to be spread around. Senator John Kerry could take some blame for gutting the CIA. There are people claiming that the Jews attacked the World Trade Center. Give me a break.

Unless Osama bin Laden is an agent for the CIA (and there are people claiming this) it was al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden who attacked the World Trade Center. Put the blame where it belongs. Now maybe the CIA and the NSA and the FBI should have been able to put the clues together better, but the murderers were AL QAEDA AND OSAMA BIN LADEN!

All of this nonsense makes me think of people who try to claim that FDR was somehow responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor. The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.

Now for sure the CIA and FBI and the NSA need work, that is certain. It might help if there was not somebody like Kerry trying to tear them apart. And there are people in those intelligence agencies who perhaps should have been able to figure things out and prevent the attack. But this is hindsight armchair quarterbacking. Hindsight is a lot easier then foresight.

Put the blame for the murder of those 3000 people where it belongs-on the murderers.
 
I certainly do remember 9/11...like it was yesterday. Sadly, many people have chosen to forget it or even worse, pretend it never happened.

Mystic....
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. I like your style.

Mikep
 
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Originally posted by Gary Allan:

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I would think that when our government(s) fail in such a drastic way
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Like the command at Pearl Habor failed.

Like the designers of the Titanic, Britanic, and Olymic failed.

Like the first volenteer fireman who wet down a trailer full of pure sodium (or some other substance that explodes when hit w/ H20) blew himself up?


They never expected it coming from that direction. You just can't call the lack of anticipation of every possible incident "failure".

Have you checked if any meteor activity is present before walking outside??? If you get injured or killed by a meteorite ...you failed to protect yourself against that (in hindsight) distinct possibility.

Blame in the aftermath is "socially typical" behavior. We hate to see someone going postal kill themselves after they slaughter 13 people because we are robbed of our need to blame ...our required pound of flesh for the violation. 9/11 wasn't a case of some train conductor doing coke and plowing into a stopped train. It was a well planned attack that exploited our vulerability as a free society.

What are you supposed to do ...do a sphincter check of everyone JUST in case one of us MIGHT be carrying a "dirty bomb" ..totally pe-emptively??

You gotta blame someone...it feels so much better if you get to roast someone for your displaced anxiety.
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I worry about the moon falling out of the sky-I'm really afraid-has the Government investigated this yet???

Great post-you hit it right on the head.

The same folks that gutted our CIA are now asking why we didn't know what was going on
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-As mmentioned by labman
 
I'm confused who has forgotten 9-11? Lastly, what does Iraq have to do with 9-11 if that's your question your impling?
 
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