Do you handle change well? How much change has our current generations REALLY been exposed to?

[JeffKeryk]

"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times"
Charles Dickens

 

[Pablo]

Ask some AI consumer interface, something, I dunno: "Does the ECON button REALLY work on a 2017 CRV?"

It will generally vomit up the most authoritarian source. Honda. "Yes, it works yada yada yada...."

Ask a better AI interface and it well tell you "there might be some users who report report no difference........yada..."

This is NOT AI we see, it's just data searching algorithms that may or may not get better with each search. There really is nothing particular ARTIFICIAL about it, and it may have some level of - narrowly defined - INTELLIGENCE.

The above said, when such things become truly sentient, oh there will be CHANGE

Ima eat more bacon so I don't have to witness it all.

 

[ripcord]

I guess there's technological change and its effects on societal change? Customized media per person is a big change too.
But I think the loss of value for evidence based decision making is a big change in the last 10-15 years? And I think from that, we'll run into all sort of difficulty as a society, in dealing with the big problems.
Your example of kids getting less recess/gym, quiet interaction time, in grade one. Does your wife thinks its a good idea? No. Principal? Nope. Superintendent? not likely. People who study early childhood education? Not them either.
So why do we have policies like this, as everyone with educational experience and expertise thinks its not a good idea?

Partly because we let too many Karens (of both genders) into positions of leadership.

 

[ripcord]

Ask some AI consumer interface, something, I dunno: "Does the ECON button REALLY work on a 2017 CRV?"

It will generally vomit up the most authoritarian source. Honda. "Yes, it works yada yada yada...."

Ask a better AI interface and it well tell you "there might be some users who report report no difference........yada..."

This is NOT AI we see, it's just data searching algorithms that may or may not get better with each search. There really is nothing particular ARTIFICIAL about it, and it may have some level of - narrowly defined - INTELLIGENCE.

The above said, when such things become truly sentient, oh there will be CHANGE

Ima eat more bacon so I don't have to witness it all.

There's more functionality there than you might be aware of. I can feed ChatGPT a database schema and describe a query that I need to write in plain English and even feed it an example of some JSON (Javascript Object Notation) that I would like as the output format and it will spit out a SQL query that would take me a lot of work to write. Usually, what it comes up with is pretty close to what I need.

 

[BISCUT]

IMO those born around the beginning of the last century experienced the greatest change. Imagine going from horse/buggy without indoor plumbing and electricity to cars, planes, landing on the moon, computers, calculators, plastics, grocery stores with huge selections, refrigeration, air conditioning, solar panels, vaccines, nuclear power, etc.

I'm in complete agreement with your post. My grandparents were born in 1919/20. They painted a vivid picture of how simple but difficult life was throughout the early decades. Boy how things changed for the typical American in that century. Big ones not mentioned WWI & WWII. Decent probability we will see a life-changing shift in how we function with what is expected to be a rapid influx of AI between now and 2030. I don't think it will take as long as 2030 myself, but I sure could be wrong. Time will tell.

 

[Pablo]

There's more functionality there than you might be aware of. I can feed ChatGPT a database schema and describe a query that I need to write in plain English and even feed it an example of some JSON (Javascript Object Notation) that I would like as the output format and it will spit out a SQL query that would take me a lot of work to write. Usually, what it comes up with is pretty close to what I need.

You feed it. My point. I just used a simple example

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

Funny question to ask on this forum. You have guys who state their preferences for more of the "old stuff" than the new stuff all the time. My wife and I married in the early 80's-computers were just becoming the norm. Because we both worked in Industries that were beginning to embrace it (hers-medical billing, mine the print industry) we had no choice to but to "get with the program". She purchase an Apple 2E-green screen and floppy disks.

Many new things make life so much easier. And because I don't drink the Kool Aid on here-modern auto mobiles are better than they have ever been. When I was growing up it was not uncommon to see a few broken down on the side of the road. Now-it's unheard of and is it happens you have probably ignored some early warning signs!

Yup. A very similar thing happened to me. LoL I did not even know what an "I.T. Manager" was when this guy and his crew showed up to install 3 computers on the desks in my office. The office that I had been working in and using paper work orders for maintenance repair jobs.

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

I'm in complete agreement with your post. My grandparents were born in 1919/20. They painted a vivid picture of how simple but difficult life was throughout the early decades. Boy how things changed for the typical American in that century. Big ones not mentioned WWI & WWII. Decent probability we will see a life-changing shift in how we function with what is expected to be a rapid influx of AI between now and 2030. I don't think it will take as long as 2030 myself, but I sure could be wrong. Time will tell.

Could the greatest thing that could slow down AI to a crawl be the ridiculous things involved in setting up? The giant costs and general resistance from local folks to building needed support facilities. The things that will be involved in trying to set up all of the needed AI data centers & other computer related power stations to support it all may lead to some growing pains.

 

[ripcord]

You feed it. My point. I just used a simple example

But these are just the first baby steps. There are people who are way smarter than me who have figured out how to make ChatGPT and the like talk to itself and perform iterative design and development steps which produce extremely complex and powerful results. Man years worth of work in very little time.

Most of the organizations who try to implement language model solutions will fail miserably at first. Probably 95% or more. Just like with the early years of automobile and other technological companies. The ones that figure it out will change everything.

 

[Trav]

I don't mind change until it becomes more of a burden than a help. For me the cell phone which was a help has turned into a for the most part a burden called a smart phone. When the one I have now dies in the bin she goes and will not be replaced and it will not be missed.

 

[Pablo]

Wife says I need to change to get out more often with not just her.

So I do. Two volunteer groups. Men’s church group meetings. Small group meetings. Take the dog out 1-2 day. Pickle ball 1-2 times weekly.

Now Wife says I don’t have enough time to do anything together I need to change to do stuff with her

I love change! I do it all the time!!

 

[AZjeff]

I like the saying: "I like new stuff when it gets old." If I had a tattoo it would be CHANGE SUX. Seriously if I choose the change I do much better than it being forced on me.

 

[Leo99]

IMO those born around the beginning of the last century experienced the greatest change. Imagine going from horse/buggy without indoor plumbing and electricity to cars, planes, landing on the moon, computers, calculators, plastics, grocery stores with huge selections, refrigeration, air conditioning, solar panels, vaccines, nuclear power, etc.

My grandfather was born in 1888 in the old country and moved to the USA when he was about 30 years old. That was only 20 years after Lincoln was assassinated. He liked to drive large Chryslers.

 

[Wireman1987]

Do you handle change well? How much change has our current generations REALLY been exposed to?

Am I wrong about the amounts of rapidly emerging changes these days being much more than folks experienced in days gone by? It sure can feel that way.

I confess I have been one (in my near 70yrs) to never look at change in the right ways at first. Yet many times , after the change has been around, then once a bit more info about it is available, I usually come around to acceptance of changes.

I arrived at a conclusion about changes a while back and I really think I am not only on to something, I think I am dead right about this.

I truly believe the generations alive for the past 50-60 years have been exposed to and are experiencing far far many times over , the amounts of change that some past generations lived thru. I am not forgetting the Industrial Revolution era that may likely have been close to what is going on today. Just different.
Industrial Revolution brought about so much "daily living" improvements and all sorts of things that ushered in this modern world. Those changes though seemed far and wide. Changes that were beneficial to so many people and things across the globe.

Today while there is so much advancements in science and medicine etc.... on the outside looking in it appears the main thing , the greatest volumes of change is thru consumer products that make us less intelligent. Just look around and it looks like the general public has been reformed into walking robots. Humans with very little and decreasing daily amounts of contact/interactions in person with others. Why? Is it because we are all too tied up with our faces and heads stuck in computers, television, so called smart phones, video games and on and on......

At the same time it feels like we are not only living thru lots of changes, they seem to be developed so much more rapidly than in the past with the goal of being presented to the public ASAP, regardless how they affect anything else in many cases. The current younger generations seem to be very talented and devoted to finding uses for and then dropping so many traditional things just as fast as one would drop a hand of hot rocks.... Unfortunately it appears in many cases either the cart got put before the horse or the change was not looked at with enough details to see what effects it will have down the road.

So it appears that these days folks care more about any new changes ASAP and forget the consequences as long as changes are compatible with my new amazing . wonderful, powerful smart phones and any of the other new devices that keep coming out each day that eerily look like they are sucking the brains and drive out of so many young, old and even in between ages.

Now, am I really very wrong about the amounts of rapidly emerging changes these days being so much more than folks experienced in days gone by?

It truly feels that way to me very often as of late. Especially when the wife , who has been teaching pre school and first grade for 30+ years tells me about all of the new stuff each and every year these young students must be exposed to and expected to learn. Plus they are expected to learn it all ASAP. Since there seems to be less and less rest , recesses , play time or simple relaxation for those very young kids now a days due to the amount of things the teachers must cover daily.

i dont handle it well at all. moved twice didn't like my 1st move but could tolerate it this second move is a slow and torturous death. i get irritable every birthday that comes and passes not that i am physically aging but that i am growing further away from my youth and younger years when i was once happy.

 

[fdcg27]

Change is constant and has been ever since the advent of the first human settlements practicing agriculture, which led to animal husbandry and then quasi governments and then money and then the first city-states. Heck, even before that, the discoveries of fire and the wheel were revolutionary.
Every development we see today is built upon the legacy bequeathed to us by those who came before us, whether it be the internet, AI or merely the logistics that have eliminated seasonality in our food supply.
We now live a life of plenty based largely upon the developments implemented by those who came before us and most of us can afford things that only fifty years ago would have been considered extravagant luxuries as well as things that then simply didn't exist.

 

[ripcord]

Change is constant and has been ever since the advent of the first human settlements practicing agriculture, which led to animal husbandry and then quasi governments and then money and then the first city-states. Heck, even before that, the discoveries of fire and the wheel were revolutionary.
Every development we see today is built upon the legacy bequeathed to us by those who came before us, whether it be the internet, AI or merely the logistics that have eliminated seasonality in our food supply.
We now live a life of plenty based largely upon the developments implemented by those who came before us and most of us can afford things that only fifty years ago would have been considered extravagant luxuries as well as things that then simply didn't exist.

"Quick! Hide the beer! Those hunter-gatherers are back."

 

[JeffKeryk]

Could the greatest thing that could slow down AI to a crawl be the ridiculous things involved in setting up? The giant costs and general resistance from local folks to building needed support facilities. The things that will be involved in trying to set up all of the needed AI data centers & other computer related power stations to support it all may lead to some growing pains.

All true.
I suggest we have no choice.

 

[fdcg27]

All true.
I suggest we have no choice.

There is always a choice.
There is also always the economic imperative.
Move forward or get left behind.
Probably more risk in limiting AI than in allowing it to develop.

 

[JeffKeryk]

There is always a choice.
There is also always the economic imperative.
Move forward or get left behind.

It is at least possible that AI is the closest thing to the Manhatten Project since the Manhatten Project.
We have no choice.

 

[Cujet]

I have always looked forward to what's new, what's best, etc.

However, when something (person, product or situation) is really good, I am hesitant to change. I dig my heels in when I need to and when some time passes, I typically learn that I was right.