Do I Need API SP?

When someone contemplate using API SP oil for an older/old engine and many would vehemently advice not to, I laugh and imagine someone asking "I heard about a new medication for high blood pressure, should I ask my doctor to prescribe it to me? nay sayers will answer: NOPE you don't need it. It was used when you were born, use whatever was there when you were born, you're good enough with the 60s medications" lol
I'm not sure this is a great example, In a lot of cases the medicines that have been around longer have proven their safety and effectiveness.
 
I'm not sure this is a great example, In a lot of cases the medicines that have been around longer have proven their safety and effectiveness.
There’s an old HIV drug that’s safe and effective, but you have to take like 3 pills 3 times a day. There’s newer drugs where you take 1 pill instead and that keeps the virus disabled. I can come up with many more examples, like elevated eyeball pressure drops or specific female anti-cancer vaccines, all of them will be better than anything that existed before.
 
I'm not sure this is a great example, In a lot of cases the medicines that have been around longer have proven their safety and effectiveness.
If it wasn't better than the current standerds and didn't pass approvals it would not be in the market.
Exact same thing with SP oils.
 
Lol, so this conversation got seriously side-tracked by that comment.
There's no doubt that advancements in medicine exist.

If it wasn't better than the current standerds and didn't pass approvals it would not be in the market.
Exact same thing with SP oils.
Here is one reference to the contrary:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...proved-quickly-often-fail-to-measure-up-later

Suffice to say motor oil should not be compared to medicine.
And I would do a lot more research before I put something into my body versus putting SP oil into my vehicle.
 
ICE vehicles are still a huge majority of the vehicles on the road by far, and will be for many years to come.
You can run SP oil for next 150yrs and during that time period ICE vehicles will be thing of the past. They are on start of their demise now, etc.
But that wasn't really my point. All that time/effort/$$ for these new oils that save just a bit on carbon footprint, outdone by adding more ICE vehicles to the roads, should be using all that time/effort/$$ on EV and H technologies.
 
Lol,

Suffice to say motor oil should not be compared to medicine.
And I would do a lot more research before I put something into my body versus putting SP oil into my vehicle.
You research all the foods you eat ;)
Foods in general are horrible. Finding good 100% organics is hard to find.
 
Lol, so this conversation got seriously side-tracked by that comment.
There's no doubt that advancements in medicine exist.


Here is one reference to the contrary:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...proved-quickly-often-fail-to-measure-up-later

Suffice to say motor oil should not be compared to medicine.
And I would do a lot more research before I put something into my body versus putting SP oil into my vehicle.

You open that article and it literally starts with

Cancer drugs that speed onto the market based on encouraging preliminary studies

We are not talking about that aspect really :) Boeing MAX that was rushed thru the approvals isn't a great example either. My point was about something else
 
You can run SP oil for next 150yrs and during that time period ICE vehicles will be thing of the past. They are on start of their demise now, etc.
But that wasn't really my point. All that time/effort/$$ for these new oils that save just a bit on carbon footprint, outdone by adding more ICE vehicles to the roads, should be using all that time/effort/$$ on EV and H technologies.

Thank CAFE. :sneaky:
 
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Is the SP wear test result improvement shown in wear chart in post 11 of this thread also for the 40 weight oils and higher.
I don't think so, pretty sure only OW-20, 5W-20, 5W-30, and 10W-30l fall under GF-6. Lower viscosity levels like OW-16 fall in there somewhere.

I had that backwards, the GF-6 is for fuel efficient viscosity grades, API does cover the heavier viscosities.
 
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For the timing chains, it has to do with the high levels of soot that a direct injection engine creates that gets into the chains. Direct injection engines have just as much if not more soot than a diesel.
 
My 10yo Camry 4-cyl has no turbo, no direct injection (that I know of) ... it's a pretty basic engine. Does the engine have any real need for an SP rated oil? Would an SP oil have any useable benefits over SN+ or even SN? Thanks!
API SP brings other improvements besides LSPI, like better timing chain wear protection.
 
I seriously don't understand why anyone here would ever argue about motor oil. :rolleyes:

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