Do dealers/shops actually still cut rotors?

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Do dealers still actually remove rotors and resurface them? I know older days they used to do that. I know I used to take my rotors (and drums) to local machine shop and they would cut them to clean them up, wasn’t real expensive.

I thought for the most part now they just get replaced since they are much thinner to begin with.

Coincidentally I got this coupon in email today for $330 which I see as basically a pad slap but I’m sure dealers want comeback complaints so probably do something. Local auto parts stores by me want $70 per rotor for the rears of my sons Kia Forte and another $45 for the pads.

Rock Auto for Power Stop kit with 2 coated rotors and pads is $79 plus shipping. They will be at my door by Monday.

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If the rotor exceeds the minimum allowable thickness after turning, they are reused. Otherwise the rotor is replaced. In most cases, there isn't enough stock left to reuse with todays rotors. The rotor would be much more prone to warpage being on the thinner side.
 
there is just on local mom and pop shop in my area that still cuts rotor/drums, most just replace with new
 
This subject came up the last time I was at my Mazda dealer. I was surprised to hear from the service advisor that they could still resurface rotors, and had the equipment in house and the expertise. He thought that they were one of a few in area that still did this and he was proud that they had that ability.
 
I think they pretend to. Buddy took his wife’s odyssey in to Honda and that was on the invoice.
 
Do dealers still actually remove rotors and resurface them? I know older days they used to do that. I know I used to take my rotors (and drums) to local machine shop and they would cut them to clean them up, wasn’t real expensive.

I thought for the most part now they just get replaced since they are much thinner to begin with.

Coincidentally I got this coupon in email today for $330 which I see as basically a pad slap but I’m sure dealers want comeback complaints so probably do something. Local auto parts stores by me want $70 per rotor for the rears of my sons Kia Forte and another $45 for the pads.

Rock Auto for Power Stop kit with 2 coated rotors and pads is $79 plus shipping. They will be at my door by Monday.

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When I worked for a Lexus dealership they had brake turning tools but it looked like they hadn't been used in a decade.
 
When I worked for a Lexus dealership they had brake turning tools but it looked like they hadn't been used in a decade.
OT when you were there, did techs like to get a 3UZ timing belt job? Curious if that was perceived as a good or bad job to be assigned
 
Do dealers still actually remove rotors and resurface them? I know older days they used to do that. I know I used to take my rotors (and drums) to local machine shop and they would cut them to clean them up, wasn’t real expensive.

I thought for the most part now they just get replaced since they are much thinner to begin with.

Coincidentally I got this coupon in email today for $330 which I see as basically a pad slap but I’m sure dealers want comeback complaints so probably do something. Local auto parts stores by me want $70 per rotor for the rears of my sons Kia Forte and another $45 for the pads.

Rock Auto for Power Stop kit with 2 coated rotors and pads is $79 plus shipping. They will be at my door by Monday.
BMW dealerships cut rotors without removing them from the car.
 
The independent shop near my work still cuts rotors. I currently have a set of Element 3's that started getting wonky 20,000 miles after I installed them and the shop resurfaced them for a small charge. I now have close to 50k on them and don't feel any pulsing/vibration.
 
As long as it's apart you might as well buy brand new. The last time I had anything resurfaced they didn't last nearly as long as brand new brake rotors. There are some shops in my area that do it but I wouldn't recommend it.
 
...since they are much thinner to begin with.
Total myth. Rotor sizes/dimensions are engineered for specific vehicles, their mass, and specific brake systems. I have several vehicles with OE rotors on them after many years and miles. They are no thinner than required. Ever see or handle the front rotors on a newer-gen Chrysler minivan? They're massive.

If the rotor exceeds the minimum allowable thickness after turning, they are reused.
True.

As long as it's apart you might as well buy brand new.
If the original rotors are within spec, why would you replace them? Especially with some inferior Chinese junk that entices with a low price.

In most cases, there isn't enough stock left to reuse with todays rotors. The rotor would be much more prone to warpage being on the thinner side.
Internet myths. Still waiting for someone to explain to me how cast iron warps. It doesn't. It would require over 1800 degrees F to permanently change the shape of cast iron; modern passenger car brakes get nowhere near that hot. Rotor "warpage" is generally due to improper installation, rust-jacking, deposit build-up, cocked calipers, improperly torqued lugnuts, and other reasons which are almost always the fault of the installer.

The science and data are easy to find, and people still perpetuate the myths.
 
Our local premier shop at $165 an hour does, while they are still on the vehicle.

The same shop they wanted to turn my altima‘s rotors because they had surface rust. By the time I drove home the surface rust was gone.
 
Total myth. Rotor sizes/dimensions are engineered for specific vehicles, their mass, and specific brake systems. I have several vehicles with OE rotors on them after many years and miles. They are no thinner than required. Ever see or handle the front rotors on a newer-gen Chrysler minivan? They're massive.


True.


If the original rotors are within spec, why would you replace them? Especially with some inferior Chinese junk that entices with a low price.


Internet myths. Still waiting for someone to explain to me how cast iron warps. It doesn't. It would require over 1800 degrees F to permanently change the shape of cast iron; modern passenger car brakes get nowhere near that hot. Rotor "warpage" is generally due to improper installation, rust-jacking, deposit build-up, cocked calipers, improperly torqued lugnuts, and other reasons which are almost always the fault of the installer.

The science and data are easy to find, and people still perpetuate the myths.
What's your opinion on out-of-spec. runout on a newly installed rotor? Do you think that could cause a brake to develop pulsations prematurely that feels like "warpage"?
 
The local Firestone near us used to do it. I took my wifes 2012 Santa Fe there for new tires back in 2015-2016 timeframe. They showed me that the front pads were close and there was a small gouge in rotor. They said they would resurface rotor and put on Napa ceramic pads for $79 (it was speacial promotion they had going on.) We were in the middle of moving, so I said "go ahead." I normally do brakes myself, but busy time and price was good.

They didn't even remove rotor. The machine bolted up to the wheel studs and turned both sides of rotor. Didn't take long at all and was super clean. Kind of cool to watch.

No idea if they still do it. These pads they put on from Napa lasted a good 4 years or so. Had some meat left on them, but I replaced them with Bosch ceramics (eqivalent to the current quiet-cast line." )
 
I thought @AutoMechanic said his dealer(s) still do it.

It's more common than you'd think.

I always understood that the "myth" around rotors being built with less material was primarily on today's more modern econoboxes. New rotors for many small cars are so inexpensive that it doesn't make sense to turn them, and I could believe they were meant to be one-time use as such.

I rarely have rotors turned because of TIME. Even if O'Reilly picks them up and brings them back I still have to wait. If a job is forseen I'll order inexpensive (usually closeouts) rotors and just be ready to slap them on. Or I just bill the customer for a whole brake kit which is usually only $120‐160 for most vehicles for new rotors and good pads.
 
What's your opinion on out-of-spec. runout on a newly installed rotor? Do you think that could cause a brake to develop pulsations prematurely that feels like "warpage"?

A couple of variables may be at play here. For example, it could be the result of uneven mounting due to crud/rust on the face of the hub or inside the rotor. Could also be a few overly-tight lugnuts.

The most common reason is said to be uneven brake pad material deposits across the face of the rotor. Envision driving down the freeway at 70 mph and making an exit with a stop light at the bottom of said exit. While slowing from 70-to-0, the brakes get extremely hot (as they should). While waiting for the green light, you keep your foot on the brake. This brake pressure, although light, can "cook" pad material onto the rotor at the contact point, creating something of a high point. Pulsation therefore can be the result of several areas of deposits on the face of the rotor(s). This is why simple "clean-up" cuts/rotor resurfacing is effective in most cases. Another reason could be the lack of maintenance on caliper slide pins. Any degree of crud or rust can easily seize guide pins, which may result in calipers becoming slightly cocked. Left for a long while, the pads will wear quite unevenly.

I've been studying this phenomenon for many years, as the idea of warped cast iron has always been ludicrous to me. We're talking about cast iron, not a Home Depot 2x4. While iron can in fact deform at very high temps, this deformation is temporary. Warpage would be a permanent condition, not possible at the temps experienced by passenger cars. Over the years I've developed many habits insofar as brake installation, maintenance, and usage, and have never again experienced pulsation. These include:

1. Make 100% sure hub faces are clean and free of any buildup before mounting rotors. A drill-mounted wire brush works well.
2. Torque wheel lugnuts to spec -- every time.
3. Always bed new pads in accordance with manufacturer instructions. This is very often neglected. Propper bedding will effectively "marry" new pads to the rotors and will greatly aid in resisiting unwanted material deposits. Bedding generally involves a series of very hard and fast stops without actually coming to a full stop (going from 45-to-5 mph, for example). Doing this correctly will actually melt a nice & even coat of new deposits across the face of the rotors. This is also very important for the extremely prevalent ceramic pads we see these days. It can actually be something of a smoke show as the new pads are super-heated and cooled, but that's how bedding works.
4. Understand caliper slide pins are maintenance items. At least once a year, pull each pin, clean it, re-lube it with high-temp brake grease, and re-torque it. This process literally takes less than a minute per pin and will ensure the calipers slide smoothly. This is, of course, only for sliding calipers. And if the rubber boots are cracked/worn, replace them. Very inexpensive.
5. Pop your trans into neutral (or even park) at long stops if you have an automatic and it's safe to do so. Just like with a stick-shift, you can safely sit on flat ground without rolling and keep your foot off the brake pedal. This also prevents hot-spots. This has been a habit of mine for many, many years.

The bottom line is most pulastion is caused by installer/user error. Humans don't like being told we messed something up, so we reflexively revert to the "warpage" myth to cover our mistakes. I fully admit I used to simply pop new rotors and pads onto my cars, drove like a bat out of hell, and never used a torque wrench. Once I understood the science and mechanics at play, brake pulsation became a thing of the past.

There are many good articles out there to further explain. Here are a few:

https://aftermarketintel.com/the-biggest-brake-rotor-myth-debunking-the-warping-fallacy/

https://ricksfreeautorepairadvice.com/what-causes-brake-rotor-warp-debunking-the-myth/
 
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